Talk:Liz Jones

Still a stub?
Is this still a stub? I'd like to see more about her earlier career, and dates, but how long of an article does this person need? Yngvadottir (talk) 12:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Vegan
Ms Jones is vegan and mentions it and animal welfare in her articles perhaps it should be mentioned more in the page http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1209923/Can-Mr-Benn-really-unmoved-pitiful-sounds-slaughter.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.21.73 (talk) 09:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it would be fair to say she was a quasi-vegan, seeing as she makes repeated reference to eating eggs and has no apparent problem with fashion houses and brands using leather. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 22:45, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Age Question
The article implies that Liz is still not being honest about her date of birth. She mentioned fellow school pupils in an article in You Magazine in 2009, and the names cited were definitely at Brentwood County High School during the year she would have been in, ie starting September 1970. I was in the same year and recognise the names.Liziz (talk) 17:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Her Welshness
She seems to be Welsh

see

''Well, I am Welsh, but I am still going to be rooting for England to win this, the first digital world cup, which means it will be seen by more people than ever before. ''
 * The only source for her alleged Welshness is Jones herself (her father appears to have been born in Gateshead): she has also repeatedly called herself an Essex girl, although there is no record of her being born in Essex, or indeed, the UK at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew G. Doe (talk • contribs) 13:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * upon further digging in the BMD sites, I'm 95% sure that both her parents were born in that most Welsh of towns, Gateshead (as were her fathers parents), and that Jones herself was almost certainly born in Hanover, West Germany. Therefore, she's about as Welsh as the current Prince of Wales. She also calls herself a journalist, and I think we'd all agree that this is questionable.Andrew G. Doe (talk) 11:41, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Andrew, while I think removing the claim about her Welsh ethnicity is justified on the grounds of insufficient (reliable) evidence, a cited source is needed for the claim she was born in Hanover. Philip Cross (talk) 12:09, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Workin' on it. :-) Andrew G. Doe (talk) 20:49, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, time to hold up my hands like any good researcher and admit I got ti wrong - her paternal grandfather, Arthur Jones, was born in Loughor, South Wales. And she was born in Chelmsford, on 5/9/58. Mea Culpa. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Married?
A note on the personal life would be appropriate with a glamorous TV celebrity 86.145.135.169 (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * How does this relate to Liz Jones? Span (talk) 11:18, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Removal of verified facts
I see 'Morefoolhim' has set about removing facts in this entry which are easily checkable, notably this:

"Probably born in Hanover, West Germany (there is no record of an Elizabeth Jones being born anywhere in the UK in September 1958, but there are birth records in the British garrison town in Germany for an Elizabeth Jones at that time) to Robert (1915-1998) and Edna Jones, she is the youngest of seven children (her siblings are Claire, Philip, Nick (1949-2011), Lynnie, Tony & Sue). She attended Brentwood County High School for girls, though the school council strenuously deny this."

All her siblings are mentioned in her articles and books, as was the death of her brother this January. I've searched, and there is no record of an Elizabeth Ann Jones being born in September anywhere in the UK - as stated. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 07:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Is there any point in this article remaining on Wikipedia at all when verified biographical details which have sourced and cited are continually removed ?Andrew G. Doe (talk) 11:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It is solely a question of a sufficient number of editors monitoring the article. Jones is notable enough to be included here given the coverage she receives from the serious press. Philip Cross (talk) 18:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Therefore, surely she is notable enough to include biographical details derived from her own writings. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 22:21, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * There is a problem with Jones veracity (the cloudiness around her age being the obvious example) which needs to be borne in mind if more biographical details from her own writings are required. The article has an editor's request for more third party sources to demonstrate notability, which have probably now been met, but this piece is surely now almost as long as it needs to be. It would be possible to ridicule Jones by including certain biographical details, she feeds organic muesli to the rats in her stables apparently (see the Jane Alexander article among others), but doing so would hardly be neutral, and thus liable to be deleted. Philip Cross (talk) 08:10, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Her age is established, on her marriage certificate (for which you have to produce a birth certificate) but where is the question: according to Ancestry.com and BMD, she wasn't born in England or Wales in September 1958 (or in 1958 at all) but an Elizabeth Ann Jones was born at the right time in the British Garrison town of Hanover in Germany (as was someone with the name of her youngest brother, btw). I think it would also be in order to include a section on the questionable nature of some of her published claims, or her attempting to conceal the fact that most of her so-called holidays are in fact paid for and end up as articles in High Life magazine. She also claimed to have received mail the day following an article was published. Said article was published on a Sunday.Andrew G. Doe (talk) 13:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Elizabeth as her first name
Actually, my source is her marriage certificate, which lists her as Elizabeth Ann Jones. :-) Andrew G. Doe (talk) 06:18, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Vegan or vegetarian
Andrew G. Doe has added the following passage: "Her frequent claims to be a vegan are refuted by her eating eggs and other dairy products." He cites this article from 2009 in support. I am not sure this is hypocritical as is meant to be implied. She describes herself as "mostly vegan" and describes her attempt at a 'normsl' diet, one which does not suggest an anorexic condition, and maintains a "rule is that I will remain a vegetarian." The attempt fails, so Jones has presumably reverted to veganism. Looks unfair to Jones. Philip Cross (talk) 10:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Surely being "mostly vegan" is like being "slightly pregnant". You either are, or you aren't.Andrew G. Doe (talk) 15:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There is inconsistancy she describes herself as a childless vegan etc but in one of her most recent articles she mentions buying an egg sandwich whilst waiting for a plane but being put off eating it by the unclean actions of the food server. She seems somewhat like people who call themselves vegetarian but eat fish.RafikiSykes (talk) 13:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * linky http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2029743/LIZ-JONES-MOANS-Golf-nits-natty-knitwear-leave-totally-teed-off.html
 * My change to this section has been reverted, despite the fact that the claims that the contents of Jones' article "refute" her claims to veganism appear to be original research and therefore not appropriate in a biography of a living person. Specifically, the claim she eats eggs is totally unsupported by the source cited (which states she bought an egg sandwich and then gave it to someone else rather than eating it), and I don't see how having on one occasion switched to an alternative diet means she cannot be considered a vegan.  Furthermore, I don't see how her performing her job as a fashion journalist without allowing her personal beliefs to affect her opinions negates anything she does in her personal life.  Unless someone can give me a good (policy-based) reason these poorly-supported assertions should stay, I will revert the reversion. 212.159.69.4 (talk) 11:23, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It clearly says that she bought an egg sandwich for her to eat and gave it to someone else as she thought the server had been unhygenic rather than any reasons relating her being vegan.RafikiSykes (talk) 11:42, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That doesn't change the fact that she didn't eat it. We can't infer anything about whether she would have eaten it or not, or whether in fact she ate other egg sandwiches on other occasions because doing so is original research. 212.159.69.4 (talk) 13:20, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added quotes from the remaining cite so her diet is described in her own words. In the article she self describes as mostly vegan so have put that quote in the article body.RafikiSykes (talk) 15:34, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

She is no kind of vegan- she runs an ethical dairy farm and there are many many articles online in her own words (plus pics: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/lifestyle/i-sold-my-soul-now-im-selling-my-eggs-says-liz-jones-6370276.html) that show her enjoying milk and eggs. Search Liz Jones milk and you'll get several articles by her in which she describes the 'deliciousness' of the aforementioned products. Plus of course there's her leather designer bag and shoe collection that she also often writes about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.192.244 (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Sperm theft story
User:Robofish "removed sperm theft story - does this *really* belong in the article?" I contend that the following does:"Wanting to become pregnant while with an earlier partner, she has written: 'I resolved to steal his sperm from him in the middle of the night. I thought it was my right, given that he was living with me and I had bought him many, many M&S [Marks & Spencer] ready meals.' (Liz Jones 'The craving for a baby that drives women to the ultimate deception', Daily Mail, 3 November 2011)" My reasons are 1) startling confession with curious logic, 2) indicative of the length to which Jones will self-implicate herself, 3) extent of coverage in reliable sources. Already we have positive responses in The Guardian and the New Statesman and the article has been summarised in The Huffington Post. Philip Cross (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * In an earlier account of this relationship, Jones stated that she had had six months of unprotected sex and the alleged sperm theft was not mentioned- another example of her revisionist attitude towards anything approaching the truth. Or, if you're feeling uncharitable, lies. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 08:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Deaf?
In one of her articles, she claimed to be almost totally deaf. Perhaps this should be featured somewhere. Valetude (talk) 12:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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Age wrong
How can she be born in 1951 and a sentence later born in 1958 on the same Wiki page? At least one of these is wrong. Rustygecko (talk) 06:56, 14 November 2022 (UTC)