Talk:Lloyd Herbert Hughes

Most highly decorated mission?
First of all, yes, I read the source that this entire article was plagiarized from. Yes, I realize that source makes the claim that the mission he received the MoH for was the most highly decorated mission in US military history. However, that claim seems like quite a leap considering it doesn't mention the criteria. Are various medals weighted differently? Is it based on the medals awarded per person, or the total number of medals awarded? What counts as a "mission"? It was officially Operation Tidal Wave. Is it claiming more medals were awarded than during, say, Operation Overlord or Operation Torch or any number of much larger operations that were conducted during WWII? Sonlee 22:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Plagiarized from"? I suppose you know when I did all my research? (Oh, and by the way, I don't use Wikipedia as any of my sources.) I was the one who contacted various webmasters to get them to change their pages on Uncle Pete because they had it wrong and I had the documents to prove it. This includes the Army, Air Force, Texas A&M, Texas State Cemetery, the Handbook of Texas and several publishers of books about him. I will continue to strive for historical accuracy. Anyone looking for more information on Hughes can find personal and historical information on him at www.rajordan.com/pete 66.25.189.109 (talk) 13:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment on reversion
Mentioning both sources shows that even the sources aren't quite lining up. A footnote is appropriate with the caption. It certainly isn't original research to state that two articles from the same source don't quite line up. There is nothing to back up your accusation that I violated WP:OR, please stop. — BQZip01 — talk 03:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment on Most highly decorated mission
What better source can Wikipedia have on a Medal of Honor recipient than the U.S. Air Force? http://www.af.mil/history/person.asp?dec=1940&pid=123006485 That said, there are errors in its page. All of the crew were not killed when the plane crashed. There were four survivors. Two died of their wounds soon after and two survived to become prisoners. My source? How about the original U.S. Army Air Forces Missing Air Crew Reports? http://www.rajordan.com/pete/macrs-00.html Oh, but that is personal research and apparently personal research is not allowed in Wikipedia. Nor is personal knowledge or personal photos. If I had the time, energy and knowledge on how to do it, I would correct all the errors on Wikipedia's page on my uncle, but I am fighting an uphill battle. See http://www.rajordan.com/pete instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajordan (talk • contribs) 20:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rajordan, I'm not saying that your research isn't appropriate and, in fact, it is not original research. Simply stating the appropriate information ("Two crewmembers survived") and stating your source (MACR) is sufficient. You might even put in something to the effect of "even though the citation states XYZ...". Honestly these kinds of mistakes are quite common. The Vietnam Memorial contains the names of 13 people who actually lived the names were placed there when they were presumed dead in an attempt to place them as close as possible to their buddies who perished at the same time/place. Please feel free to correct it. Best of luck to you! — BQZip01 —  talk 04:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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Original Text of Lloyd H. Hughes' Medal of Honor Citation
There are two pretty reasonable sources for the text of Hughes' Medal of Honor citation. The first is the Air Force's web page: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=1576 with the typo, "Will[sic] full knowledge ...." The second is the Army's web page: http://www.army.mil/medalofhonor/crandall/medal/citations21.htm These two citations, however, are slightly different. The Air Force's web page has "will be everlastingly outstanding ..." and the Army's web page has "will everlastingly be outstanding ...."

If anyone knows where I can find an original source for Hughes' citation, I would love to hear from you. I am not interested in a transcription of the text online. That is in many places, but as shown above, those do not agree with each other and have typos. I am looking for an original document. Niece of Lloyd Herbert Hughes. Rajordan 19:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajordan (talk • contribs)


 * Rajordan, you may try the Corps of Cadets Center. If they don't have it you can place a request with the Army under the Freedom of Information Act. Contact your local Army/Air Force installation. I don't know with whom you would talk to on an Army post, but the Air Force uses the Communications Squadrons as POCs for such requests; I should know...I used to be in charge of one of them :-).


 * Hope that is of some help. — BQZip01 —  talk 01:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Another error crept in
Error: "but left school to join the military a few days before the attack on Pearl Harbor."

Reference article which states, 'He resigned from A&M for "personal reasons" a few days before the attack on Pearl Harbor. On Jan. 28, 1942, Hughes enlisted in the Army Air Forces.'

Uncle Pete left school to go home and help take care of his sick father, not to join the military.

Reference: http://www.rajordan.com/pete/timeline1.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajordan (talk • contribs) 20:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry if anyone bit you here on Wikipedia, but be bold!!! Make changes yourself if there's an error. This is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. — BQZip01 —  talk 06:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

"Alumni"?
Is it right to say he was "the first of seven Texas A&M alumni" when he did not graduate from Texas A&M? In the interest of clear text, wouldn't it be better to say something like "the first of seven Texas A&M Aggies"? (I can agree with "once an Aggie, always an Aggie.") In my mind though, "alumni" leans more towards "graduate" than just "attended." Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajordan (talk • contribs) 05:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

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