Talk:London Beer Flood

Edit request
In the lead, there's the word "vat." Since this word is not so common, suggest linking it to barrel.  Gerald WL  16:33, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: Also suggest linking brewery and liquidation.  Gerald WL  16:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Both vat and brewery are quite common terms. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , not so common outside the universe of breweries, as far as I'm concerned. It would be worth linking to ESL people and stuff. If it's linkable, why not?  Gerald WL  07:54, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think they are common enough terms not to worry about without breaching WP:OVERLINK. 2A01:4C8:493:2843:59F7:361D:A013:C20 (talk) 09:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that vat isn't. Some may think it's a typo of hat or bat, and may "fix" it, unaware it is the synonym of a barrel.  Gerald WL  09:25, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * A typo of hat or bat? I’m sorry, but that’s ludicrous, given the context. It’s a common enough term for most people. I asked my 12 year old son what it meant and he got it, so I don’t think many people will struggle with it. 2A01:4C8:493:2843:59F7:361D:A013:C20 (talk) 12:09, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's your son, it's just one person. Don't take offence to this, but try ask many ESL people and see if they know it. I myself, one that has learned English for 13 years, require to search in Bing and wait for 5 minutes due to the internet connection only to know that it is a synonym of a barrel. If you're saying that due to the context a helpful link to barrel (just use the redirect) is not needed, then perhaps the link to porter is also not needed. This is also similar to imperial gallon-- only Americans and a significant portion of outsiders know the imperial system, so a link would suffice. Why is a short link so huge of dispute?  Gerald WL  12:18, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's you, it's just one person. As this is the English language Wikipedia we don’t link common terms. Please see WP:OVERLINK. 2A01:4C8:493:2843:59F7:361D:A013:C20 (talk) 12:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Bruh is vat even a common term? Okay forget that, I don't wanna debate something that will go astray-- is imperial gallons common among ALL English-speaking people? I bet only ALL Americans know it, and this is discriminate towards the United States. This is the English, not American Wikipedia, so I suggest linking imperial gallons.  Gerald WL  12:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I’m From the UK and I recognise imperial gallons clearly. Again I suggest you actually read OVERLINK, which says not to link them if conversions are supplied, which they are. 2A01:4C8:493:2843:59F7:361D:A013:C20 (talk) 12:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we should give a relief for those not as familiar with the English language as we are. I still stress on linking to vat, which I'm sure is not so common. That is, ofc, "vat." As OVERLINK states, "Relevant connections to the subject of another article that will help readers understand the article more fully [can be linked]." A vat is relevant to beer and can help guide the ESLs through the whole article's topic. I think for most, it could not be considered "Everyday words understood by most readers in context." As OVERLINK also state: "The purpose of linking is to clarify."  Gerald WL  13:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia, not the Wikipedia for foreign language students. “Vat” is a common enough word for English speakers to qualify as an “everyday word understood by most readers in context”. 2A01:4C8:493:2843:59F7:361D:A013:C20 (talk) 13:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "This is the English Wikipedia, not the Wikipedia for foreign language students"-- I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Wikipedia must be understandable to a significant level of people, although not as high as in the Simple English. According to Oxford Dictionary, the term "vat" is only used often to describe a barrel. We should make Wikipedia accessible to all, not just those in the UK, US, and Canada, by clarifying possible jargons. Vat may be common in the English and Western hemisphere, but not in all parts of the world, where it may be thought of as a slang. Furthermore, I think it would be worth putting those pipes in the word, as it is relevant to the article's topic: beer.  Gerald WL  13:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I doubt we’ll have agreement on this, so I will bow out, but this seems to be an awful lot of pressure to add a link for a common word. If other people want to add their thoughts you may get your way, but it’s a tortuous way of doing meaningless steps. 2A01:4C8:493:2843:59F7:361D:A013:C20 (talk) 13:25, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not a native English speaker, but I have an advanced command of it, yet I've never heard the word vat. In my opinion, a link would be helpful.
 * If it's a common word, as people say, does that mean that a teenager or an elementary school child would understand it? School children often read Wikipedia for homework. Would those children understand the word if English is their mothertongue? Nakonana (talk) 00:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Another addition: there are many countries where English is an official language and the mothertongue of people, but those countries are neither the UK, the US, Canada, or Australia. They are countries like India, Malaysia, the Philippines etc. People there could be considered native English speakers, but I have to wonder whether their English dialect includes the word "vat". Nakonana (talk) 00:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It appears to be used in Indian, Malaysian, and Filipino English-language websites, as well as in children's dictionaries. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

The source talks of Vats which are square open containers of considerable size that contain a volume equivalent of barrels which in turn contain a volume of either 36 imperial gallons or 32 ale gallons, it appears the actual size of the barrel did not change but the size of the gallon did. This article is full of units that changed over the centuries. see English brewery cask units. Avi8tor (talk) 09:06, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * when you say “the source”, can you clarify which one please? - 77.249.149.237 (talk) 15:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)