Talk:Long Island/Archive 2

Landform category
As the island, the landform, of Long Island is not specific to any of the four counties on the island, but is specific to, it is more appropriate to place it in  than in any of its subcategories. --Bejnar (talk) 22:29, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Similarly, Long Island is an island of New York, not specifically an island of any county; just as the Adirondack Mountains are in, and not in categories Mountain ranges of Essex County, Mountain ranges of Hamilton County, etc. --Bejnar (talk) 22:46, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring and WP:BRD
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North of Long Island Sound
The sentence "North of the island is Long Island Sound, across which are the states of Connecticut and Rhode Island," strikes me as odd. I don't think Rhode Island really is adjacent to Long Island Sound, according to the Wikipedia article on Long Island Sound. Once you get out past Fishers Island and Montauk, you're into Block Island Sound. BUT, there is something else that is definitely to the north of Long Island Sound: Westchester County, N.Y. Unless anyone objects, I propose to change the sentence to read: "North of the island is Long Island Sound, across which is the state of Connecticut, and Westchester County, New York." The Interloafer (talk) 23:08, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no disputing that north of the Long Island Sound is Rhode Island and Connecticut, since the general consensus is that the Sound extends out to Block Island. For the most part, Westchester County is not to the north of the Sound. Rather, it abuts and encloses the westernmost end of the Sound.  Ergo Sum  01:14, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Maine that Long Island Sound is enclosed by a line drawn from Montauk Point to Watch Hill Point in Rhode Island. So Rhode Island forms the northern boundary of the Sound for a mile or two. Perhaps the sentence should change to read "... and a small part of Rhode Island" Fitnr 23:36, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that would be an accurate manner of phrasing it.  Ergo Sum  03:03, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I support that and will make the change. Thanks, Fitnr. For the record, I challenge Ergo Sum's assertions that "There is no disputing that north of the Long Island Sound is Rhode Island and Connecticut, since the general consensus is that the Sound extends out to Block Island." The waters to the west of Block Island are described as Block Island Sound (see Wikipedia article on Block Island Sound), and therefore the eastern boundary of Long Island Sound clearly is disputable. In fact, my understanding of "the general consensus" is that Long Island Sound terminates at an imaginary line from Orient Point, through Plum Island and Fishers Island, to more or less Stonington, Connecticut. (See the graphic in the article on Long Island Sound.) But that imaginary line could be construed to go to Watch Hill Point, and, since that's in agreement with U.S. v. Maine, I support Fitnr's and your suggestion for the wording change and will make it.The Interloafer (talk) 14:59, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Long Island
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Silly capitalization dispute
This is a very minor/pedantic issue, but there seems to be a bit of disagreement about the capitalization of "counties" in, e.g., "Nassau and Suffolk Counties." One of you cited Chicago and AP in support of lowercasing "counties." However, CMoS 8.51 clearly states: "A generic term that is capitalized as part of the name of an official body remains capitalized when it is used in the plural to refer to two or more names and applies to both." The example "Lake and Cook Counties" is then supplied. The AP Stylebook (s.v. "county") adopts the opposite convention: "Lowercase plural combinations: Westchester and Rockland counties." Though silent on the issue, the Wikipedia MoS is principally influenced by Chicago, so I propose that we use the uppercase convention. JGambolputty (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I withdraw from the discussion. I have spent all the time and mental energy on this issue that I care to. Jeh (talk) 19:34, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I accept your change. Thanks for being so detailed. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 21:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

To add to article
To add to article: a good map of Long Island, showing the major settlements (cities, towns, and villages). 76.189.141.37 (talk) 05:01, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I'd like that. Meowzerz (talk) 05:48, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Comparison to Upstate NY
Currently there is a dispute over whether a comparison to Upstate NY should be in the sentence However, many people in the New York metropolitan area (including those in Brooklyn and Queens) colloquially use the term Long Island (or the Island) to refer exclusively to Nassau and Suffolk Counties, which are mainly suburban in character, conversely employing the term the City to mean Manhattan alone.

I'd say the comparison shouldn't be there. First, it's not in the source cited. But then again, so isn't the rest of the sentence. Second, Upstate NY is a huge place, with such varied places as the Finger Lakes, Southern Tier, Hudson Valley, and Adirondack Mountains. None of these areas is identical to each other, so it's incorrect to say Long Island's suburbs are like Upstate NY. epicgenius (talk) 21:09, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It is POV + unsourced. Shearonink (talk) 05:44, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Upstate New York and Long Island's suburbs are two totally different things. I also agree. Meowzerz (talk) 05:50, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Topography
I have resided on both the Island of Montreal (flat and populous) and Vancouver Island (smaller than Taiwan, larger than Haiti, and not populous).

Vancouver Island has a more pleasant climate than Quebec by far and just as much access to the Pacific Rim as bustling Vancouver. What gives? Topology. Insufficient dynamite. People who don't want their front door and back door to be separated by an entire floor in between. Slopes Eastern Canada would describe as small mountains, whereas rugged British Columbia tends to regard most of these as large hills (highest elevation: 7200 ft, nearly 2000 ft higher than Mount Marcy, New York).

In my view, it wouldn't hurt to add a line or two similar to the USGS description to our own Long Island page:


 * Long Island Topography

The two lines of hills, known as "terminal moraines" reach a maximum altitude of about 400 feet above sea level, and are separate and distinct in the central and eastern parts of the island, but merge in the western part.

The southernmost lines of hills the Ronkonkoma moraine is the older of the two; it extends eastward to form the South Fork.

The northern line of hills—the Harbor Hill moraine—extends eastward along the north shore of Long Island to form the North Fork.

The moraines are composed of poorly sorted rock debris (glacial till) consisting of boulders, gravel, sand, silt, and clay, which was pushed ahead of and incorporated within the continental ice sheets when the ice advanced onto the island, and which was subsequently deposited during melting of the ice sheets.

On a page search here, the word "elevation" is mentioned only in the title of one reference. I'll leave it for someone else to decide how much treatment is just right. &mdash; MaxEnt 18:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)