Talk:Lord George Gordon

Comments
My compliments, Adam, you were quicker in sorting out the scanning and links issues. JFW | T@lk  17:47, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The penultimate paragraph seems a bit rough still. --Aaron 04:52, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I have taken out the following from the last paragraph, which seems to have been interposed from an entry on General Gordon of Sudan fame - "inference from carefully surveyed fact; with many variations of mood he mixed, as we often see in people less famous, an invincible faith in his own rapid prepossessions while they lasted. Everybody now discerns that to despatch a soldier of this temperament on a piece of business (the mission to the Sudan in 1884) that was not only difficult and dangerous, as Sir E. Baring said, but profoundly obscure, and needing vigilant sanity and self-control, was little better than to call in a wizard with his magic. Mr Gladstone always professed perplexity in understanding why the violent end of the gallant Cavagnari in Afghanistan stirred the world so little in comparison with the fate of Gordon. The answer is that Gordon seized the imagination of England, and seized it on its higher side. His religion was eccentric, but it was religion; the Bible was the rock on which he founded himself, both old dispensation and new; he was known to hate forms, ceremonies and all the solemn plausibilities; his speech was sharp, pithy, rapid and ironic; above all, he knew the ways of war and would not bear the sword for nought." - if I have completely missed the point please feel free to put back.... Martin

Opinions.
'crack-brained schemes' that is one example of bias. All that needs to be laid out is FACTS. Opinions are not part of history. you must let people INTERPRET what happened and make their own conlcusions by stating facts only. -Andreea

Organization
The article is somewhat messy; there are two different life stories that should be intertwined, the beginning of the Judaism section is repetative, etc. --Meamcat 04:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Tartan
Apparently Scottish Jews wear the Gordon family tartan in honour of him.

"In the latter part of the eighteenth century there lived an English [sic] nobleman in London named Lord George Gordon (1751-1792), son of the third duke of Gordon. He accepted the Jewish faith.... It was customary in those days for pious Jews to travel abroad, in order to see with their own eyes the actual living conditions of their brethren in the Diaspora, so Lord Gordon traveled to the lands where most of his new co-religionists lived. He visited the city of Vilna, known as the Jerusalem of Lithuania, and there he became known as the Ger Tseddek (the Righteous Proselyte). His name quickly became a byword in the Jewish world. Parents came to use his name when blessing their sons, and many families adopted his name as a surname. It was thus that my grandfather changed Gordomy to Gordon." " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.39.114 (talk) 23:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * if this is a quote where is it from?

4.249.63.21 (talk) 18:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Where from: Benjamin L. Gordon (NY: Bookman Assocs, 1952): Between Two Worlds, p.46; located via a forum post (on X Marks the Scot: "An on-line community of kilt wearers"), where it's described as "the autobiography of a Lithuanian Jew who was born around 1870 and emigrated to the US".
 * The post includes a passage from this Wikipedia article; but this is not a case of circular reference.
 * The book doesn't seem to give a source for the information, so we should be cautious about what we say in 'Wikipedia's voice', but we could probably report tht "Use of the Gordon tartan by Jews has been attributed[*] to the influence of Lord George Gordon"? - with [*] being a citation of this book, with this quote? 2A04:B2C2:805:5600:C8CB:FEA3:1DF7:ACEE (talk) 00:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Defamation conviction
The article states "in 1787 he was convicted of defaming Marie Antoinette, the French ambassador and the administration of justice in England".

Please have the article expand on this. How could he charged with defaming a French queen? Was this three charges or one? What was the maximum sentence? Was it because of something he wrote or was it something he said in public or private? WikiParker (talk) 12:33, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Location of conversion to Judaism
Harman says, of Birmingham:

"It has been more than once averred that Lord George was circumcised here, before being admitted to the Jewish commity, whose rites and ceremonies, dress and manners, he strictly observed and followed; but he first became a Jew while residing in Holland, some time before he took lodgings in such a classic locality as our old Dudley-street, where he lay hidden for nearly four months, a long beard and flowing gaberdine helping to conceal his identity."

-- Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Lord? George Gordon
Would it be helpful to add an explanation of why the subject is known as Lord George Gordon? The article describes him as "third and youngest son of Cosmo George Gordon, 3rd Duke of Gordon" - and thus unlikely to inherit the dukedom - and as "brother of Alexander Gordon, 4th Duke" - who evidently did.

I'm probably airing my ignorance here, of obscure naming conventions around the British aristocracy. I am not alone in this ignorance! 2A04:B2C2:805:5600:544A:C3FA:9BF2:7EE3 (talk) 00:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)