Talk:Lord Guildford Dudley/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Pyrotec (talk) 16:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Starting review. Pyrotec (talk) 16:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking it on! I made some small changes today, but it is ready now! Buchraeumer (talk) 23:36, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent. It will give me something to do in the morning. Pyrotec (talk) 23:53, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Initial review
I had a couple of quick scan-reads. You got a lot of detail in there and it is well referenced; and I look on it as GA-material. On the "down side", I think some of your sentences are long and convoluted. I have a great temptation to cut some of them in half.

I'm not going to do any more on this review tonight, but tomorrow I will go through it in more detail. As is my preference, I will leave the WP:Lead until last; other than that I will work through it section by section highlighting (mostly) problems. Finally, I will produce an Overall review. I hope to have this finished mid week; and I expect to be granting GA-status. Pyrotec (talk) 22:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I will be happy trying to address any issues, and please don't hesitate to mend any sentences if you feel like it. Thanks for your pains! Buchraeumer (talk) 00:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You've been editing: it reads much better now. Pyrotec (talk) 14:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Imprisonment -
 * I think that this section, posibly only the first paragraph, needs a minor reworking:
 * The comment "However, the Duke had to take the field against Mary Tudor a few days after Jane's Proclamation, and within a further week her rule was over" appears to be quite mild. However, on rereading it several times "take the field" appears to be code for "a battle took place". I think this needs to be made clearer. I also (possibly wrongly) took the "Duke" to be the Duke of Northumberland, as he was the last duke to be mentioned, but perhaps it was the Duke of Clarence.
 * In light of the comment above, I'm confused about "Once the new regime was in power, the Bishop of Winchester, Stephen Gardiner, took great offence ...". I originally assumed the "new regime" was Jane & Guilford", but perhaps it is refering to Mary.
 * The first paragraph, again, appears to have a "gap": we go from "field" to baptism, Jane's abandonment by parents, to Gentleman Gaoler's lodgings & Bell Tower. Mary obviously took charge and became Queen, but this process is not explained: Queen Mary appears in the second paragraph, but only two paragraphs before that we anticipated "the couple's coronation would take place within a fortnight".

Pyrotec (talk) 15:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I have expanded this, trying to make the change of power clearer. Hope it is not too detailed; but then it touches not only on Jane but on Guilford also, by extension. Buchraeumer (talk) 19:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Much improved. Thanks. Pyrotec (talk) 21:19, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Overall summary
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * A. Prose quality:
 * B. MoS compliance:
 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
 * A. References to sources:
 * B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
 * C. No original research:
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. Major aspects:
 * B. Focused:
 * 1) Is it neutral?
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Pass or Fail:

Congratulations on the quality of the article I'm awarding GA status. Pyrotec (talk) 21:23, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * What a surprise! Thank you!! I have just added a half-sentence on Stephen Gardiner (the bishop, who took offence at the little Guilford), that he was then a prisoner in the Tower (he was there since 1548 for persistently opposing the episcopal changes under Edward VI). Buchraeumer (talk) 21:46, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Yes, I saw it; you broke a citation, but a bot fixed it. Pyrotec (talk) 21:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)