Talk:Louis XII

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Louis XII vs. Henry VII

 * Copied from WP:RD/H for further processing. --Ghirla-трёп- 22:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

As an example of early modern kingship Louis XII bears quite a close relationship to Henry VII. Although he came late-and unexpectedly-to power, he acted with vigour, reforming the French legal system, reducing taxes and improving government, much like Henry in England. He also occupies the same ambigious position in history, being both a late Medieval and a Renaissance monarch. His marriage to Anne of Brittany, conceived for polital purposes, might also be said to parallel that of Henry to Elizabeth of York. Louis was also skilled in managing his nobility, including the powerful Bourbon faction, which greatly contributed to the stability of French government.

Although Louis' administration was not dominated by lawyers and financial specialists to the same degree as that of Henry, he was just as innovative. In the Ordinance of Blois of 1499 and the Ordinance of Lyon of 1510, he extended the powers of royal judges and made efforts to curb corruption in the law. Highly complex French customary law was to be codified and ratified by royal proclamation. Although he was less financially astute than the parsimonious Henry, he was reasonably careful, unlike many of his predecessors, with crown revenues. At the end of his reign the crown deficit was no greater than it had been when he succeeded Charles VIII in 1498, despite several expensive military campaigns in Italy. His fiscal reforms of 1504 and 1508 tightened and improved procedures for the collection of taxes.

The one big difference between the two monarchs was in military affairs. For Henry war was simply 'bad for business.' Louis, in contrast, through his obsession with the duchy of Milan, to which he had a claim in right of his grandfather, embarked on several campaigns in Italy. His greatest success came in his war with Venice, with the victory at the Battle of Agnadello in 1509. Things became much more difficult for him from 1510 onwards, especially after Julius II, the great warrior Pope, took control of the Vatican. Although his Italian ambitions unravelled, Louis managed to end his reign in 1515 as a well respected monarch, who had withstood a great European coalition of powers. He had duly earned the title of 'Father of the People', conferred upon him by the Estates in 1506. Clio the Muse 00:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Template fest
The article is on the shorter side, yet it is cluttered with three to four templates highlighting Louis's relationship to his successor and predecessor. As a result, the entire page looks like an opportunity to flaunt all these bright-coloured repetitive infoboxes. This is stupid. --Ghirla-трёп- 22:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 07:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Coinage
Here's a cool coin of Louis XII. Feel free to insert it in the article! Cheers. PHG (talk) 15:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Who ruled France in his absence?
Who ruled France during his absence in the Italian wars? Who served as the regent of France during his absence? Was it the queen, Anne of Brittany?--85.226.41.248 (talk) 11:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

What is this symbol?
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? Dmforcier (talk) 15:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Paternity case??
The second and third paragraphs of the Early Life section are very confusing. They discuss a number of things, including a "paternity case" and Louis XI concern about the Orleanists, without any previous mention or explanation of these issues. There seems to be something missing there. Tad Lincoln (talk) 06:27, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Relationship to Louis XI
This article calls Louis XI his uncle. As I understand it, they were second cousins, both being great grandsons of Charles V. Was this an erroneous assumption based on the description of Charles VIII as his cousin? Rojomoke (talk) 23:56, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

One dominating reference
The Baumgartner 1996 source dominates the article too much. We need more from other sources. If the Baumgartner source is tertiary, it would be best to take its citations directly. Sociable Song (talk) 18:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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