Talk:Lucas North

'Fluent Russian'
As a linguist — really? Does the writer of this article have any idea how utterly impossible becoming fluent in a language in less than a year is? 86.129.43.245 (talk) 00:35, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It is copied from a source, but maybe what Armitage was referring to was that he learned to speak as if he was fluent. I also don't believe anything is impossible after learning for a year. -- Matthew RD 12:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Matey?
Why is this all "Lucas", "Harry", etc when you'd usually expect to see "North", er, "Potter" or whoever? Is there some convention on this? Otherwise I worry that it sounds a bit matey. And North is not my friend, especially after that last episode... thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Dead or Alive
Lucas is being described in the article as being dead, yet the ending of the episode is ambiguous, as is typical of a cliffhanger ending, and did not make clear that he died. In an interview with the Mail, which was updated and reposted on Nov. 5, he acknowledges he doesn't know the fate of his character, which makes clear there is no definitive end to Lucas' story. I removed the references to his having committed suicide, and his last appearance, was reverted by an editor claiming the source was dated (which it is not), and have restored the removal. Describing Lucas as dead before the show makes it clear is speculative, and falls under WP:OR. The interview cited is far more definitive, and reliable. Drmargi (talk) 21:25, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * That's severely taking that source out of context. Nowhere in the source does it claim that Lucas's end is ambiguous and that Armitage doesn't know his character's fate now, it merely claims that Armitage was unaware of his character's fate before he filmed the final scene. Those are two completely different things. Relevant bit from the source:


 * ''And the same can be said of the actor playing him. Six-footer Richard likes to be in control and prefers to know what’s going to happen to the characters he’s playing.
 * He says: ‘I had to go with the flow, as I realised you never knew what was going to happen to your character. You often get new scripts the night before you’re due to film them. It’s a bit like being a real spy. They have to adapt and so does the cast of Spooks.


 * That makes this source useful for an addition to development to say "Armitage was unclear on his character's fate even shortly before filming the final scene", but not for saying "Lucas North's fate is unclear". Honestly, this "produce a body" idea is quite ridiculous and is reading faaaar too much into something that is ultimately nothing more than an attempt at tense cinematography than an encyclopedia entry should be involved with. Also performed one extra rv for which I apologise, it was before I realised a comment was posted here. Lets try to find some consensus on talk instead. -- Sabre (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The trouble is, you're basing your statements in the article on your interpretation of the events, and I'd argue that's where the reading far too much into events comes in. What Armitage is saying in the reference is that the episode ending is ambiguous.  He has the script, is about to shoot the scene, and doesn't know what it means -- does Lucas live or die?  He didn't know when he was interviewed, and wasn't likely to find out for some time after the episode was in the can (through post.)  Why keep him in the dark if the producers know Lucas' fate?  It's far more likely the producers hadn't made up their minds or were waiting to hear if they got another season than they were keeping it from Richard Armitage for some other reason.


 * We don't even know if Lucas-as-John went off the building, just that Harry looked over the edge in response to the car alarm he heard. That's typical of a cliffhanger ending, and this one is even more ambiguous than the explosion at the end of last season.  They've also introduced a plot line about Harry's need to clean up Section D from the inside, and the character played by Vincent Regan, who is an internal affairs expert.  Should Spooks get another season, there's already a story set up that focuses on pursuing John Bateman.  There's far too much ambiguous here to say definitively that Lucas/John is dead, or that he's made his last appearance in the show.  Before that statement can be made, you need a reliable source, and that's not the episode.  Drmargi (talk) 12:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree there is currently far too much ambiguity regarding Lucas' fate, but should it be pointed out that it can easily assumed that he is dead, by he sudden disappearance, sounds on the street below and Harry's and the others' assumed reaction. I think that would be the normal reaction by most of the audience. SilvestertheCat (talk) 04:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * But that's what we're being lead to assume, not what we know. All we can report to an encyclopedic standard is what we know.  BTW, please do not edit another user's post, even if there are egregious spelling or grammar errors.  Bear in mind, too, that not all posters are speakers of British English; my use of ambiguous v. ambiguity is not only grammatically correct in American English, but semantically preferable given what I wanted to say.  Drmargi (talk) 05:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I know that, I just thought it would be a good idea to report the fact that that is what the audience is possibly lead to assume. That is an undeniable and (if need be) sourced fact. I am not wanting to report speculation, I am wanting to report that the speculative thought that Lucas is dead is what is possibly wanted by the people who made the show. I think it is an interesting and useful note. SilvestertheCat (talk) 14:27, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We now have a verifiable, reliable source that confirms Richard Armatige thinks the character is dead. The out-of-context previous interview is no longer needed. 203.35.135.133 (talk) 07:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Alive/Dead/Unknown.
Please visit Spooks discussion page to help form a consensus. 203.35.135.133 (talk) 10:15, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Head of Section D
He was NEVER "Head of Section D" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.166.249 (talk) 03:07, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

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