Talk:MS Costa Allegra

Revert article move

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Mov reverted per consensus. bd2412 T 15:18, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

MS Annie Johnson → MS Costa Allegra – According to WP:NC-SHIPS, "an article about a ship that changed name or nationality should be placed at the best-known name, with a redirect from the other name". Costa Allegra was by far best known as a cruise ship, not as a container ship. Thus, I propose reverting the move by User:Yankeesman312. Tupsumato (talk) 04:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Concur Dankarl (talk) 13:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, as the ship is currently in service as Santa Cruise, the article should be moved to MS Santa Cruise. Mjroots (talk) 19:25, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * She appears to have only been Santa Cruise for the journey to the breakers, never serving as a cruise ship or container ship under that name. I'm not sure that this could be considered the best known name. And I don't think that there is a convention that we name an article by the latest name she is/was sailing under? NC-SHIPS does say 'best-known name' after all. Benea (talk) 21:25, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "Best-known name" is rather vague, so in my opinion we should consider the article names on a case-by-case basis. After all, sometimes a ship may have several "well-known names" and it's not easy to agree which one is the best-known one. In such case, it's usually best to stick to the last name under which the ship was in service or, if it has e.g. been rotting in a port for a decade, in the news. "Demolition names" can be ruled out in most cases.
 * However, in this case it's (in my opinion) rather clear: The ship was in service as the cruise ship Costa Concordia for 20 years, longer than as Annie Johnson. Also, today's cruise ships are by far better-known to the general public than ancient container ships. Tupsumato (talk) 05:58, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Mjroots, I don't think this counts as "currently in service"... ;) Tupsumato (talk) 05:59, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with Tupsumato – the vessel sailed under name Annie Johnson as a cargo ship but was later converted into cruise ship. She served the most significant notable part of her life cycle as such under name Costa Allegra, therefore the article should be renamed. --Gwafton (talk) 07:33, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways guys. In view of this, I Support the move back to Costa Allegra. Mjroots (talk) 20:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, agree Costa Allegra. Tupsumato is right that it is not always obvious what "best known name" is, but it is the best guideline as it allows for sensible conclusions according the variety of circumstance (and for changes over time); anything more specific would lead to too many strange results. Davidships (talk) 13:18, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


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