Talk:MV Princess of the Stars

Dire pains
Built in 1984, the 23,824-tonne ferry MV Princes of the Stars has total passenger capacity of 1,992 people.Abs-Cbn Interactive, Relatives of passengers of capsized ship question lack of info on their kin
 * A rescue ship reached the MV Princess of Stars, more than 24 hours after it lost radio contact at 12:30 p.m. EDT (04:30 GMT) on Saturday.BBC NEWS, Philippines ferry hit by typhoon Philippine Coast Guard spokesman Lt. Senior Grade Arman Balilo, however, lamented: "They haven't seen anyone. They're scouring the area. They're studying the direction of the waves to determine where survivors may have drifted."philstar.com/index, Typhoon death toll rises; rescuers reach stricken ferry but 700 still missing Xinhua reported that the 4 survivors witnessed "that the captain of the ship ordered the abandoning of the ship at noon Saturday, but many passengers did not even wear life vests when the ship capsized." 4 survivors Jesus Gica, Oliver Amorin, Jessie Buot, and Renato Lanorio, told GMA news that "the ship did not malfunction, but only slowed down its speed as it encountered big waves off the coast of Romblon." Gica saw many people jumped, but "the waves were so big and the rains so strong that few of them could have possibly survived; the crew were so busy saving themselves that they did not care to help the passengers to wear safety vests, and that some of the passengers passed out while children and the elderly failed to wear life vests because they could no longer move when the ship was turning upside down."xinhuanet.com, Sunken ferry abandoned at noon Saturday, say filipino survivorsap.google.com, Typhoon Fengshen kills 80 in Philippines San Fernando Mayor Nanette Tansingco confirmed that 4 others aboard died and hundreds of passengers were still missing. Dozens of people trooped to the offices of owner Sulpicio Lines, in Cebu and Manila North Harbor in Manila. The victims' families accused Sulpicio and the Philippine Coast Guard of allowing the ship to set sail despite the bad weather. They further blamed Sulpicio for not personally informing them about the tragedy, the details of the accident, and the condition of the ship plus its passengers. Sulpicio's counsel Manuel Espitan, however stated that "the ship never received advice from Coast Guard, while Metro Manila was still under public storm signal No. 1 when the ship left the port." BBC quoted Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo as saying: "Why did you allow it to sail and why was there no ample warning? I want answers."newsinfo.inquirer.net,  ‘Frank’ leaves at least 86 dead, 700 missing
 * Videos - http://www.gmanews.tv/video/24567/Coast-Guard-nears-site-where-'MV-Princess-of-Stars'-capsized gmanews.tv/video Coast Guard nears site where 'MV Princess of Stars' capsized, 06/22/2008 - http://www.gmanews.tv/video/24566/4-bodies-recovered-survivors-found-from-sunken-ship gmanews.tv/video, 4 bodies recovered, survivors found from sunken ship, 06/22/2008--Florentino floro (talk) 10:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Pictures of death
Sulpicio admitted that 860 were on board as the ferry capsized: "There were 751 manifested passengers and 111 crew members on board the capsized vessel." The Maritime Industry Authority (Marina) suspended all sea travel operations of the Sulpicio. Sulpicio lines released the names of 32 survivors with the complete passenger manifest and crew list uploaded on their website http://www.sulpiciolines.com/.GMA NEWS.TV, Sulpicio Lines releases passenger manifest, list of survivorsxinhuanet, Over 860 on board as Philippine ferry capsizedReuters, UPDATE 4-Rescuers search for Philippine ferry survivors Also, Pope Benedict XVI pledged to say a "special prayer to God" for the victims: "It is with deep emotion that I learn this morning of the sinking in the Philippines of a ferry hit by Typhoon Fengshen."gulfnews.com, Pope prays for victims of sunken Philippine ferry Claveria, MasbateMayor Eduardo Andueza said 35 bodies were fished out of sea while 40 people were rescued off the coast of Burias Island, Masbate province on Monday. The bodies however could not have only come from the MV Princess of the Stars but also from other vessels that capsized. Some of the 40 survivors said the came from a cargo vessel, MV Lake Paway, which departed from Mindanao but later sank at sea.gmanews.tv, 35 bodies recovered, 40 rescued off Barias, Masbate - mayor
 * news.bbc.co.uk, In pictures: Philippine ferry tragedy. gmanews.tv, Some of the deadliest maritime disasters in the Philippines, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS--Florentino floro (talk) 10:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The US responded by donating P 4 million and sent USNS Stockham and US Navy P-3 maritime surveillance aircraftship, for rescue.GMA NEWS.TV, NDCC tally: 98 dead, 115 missing, 66 hurt--Florentino floro (talk) 10:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Cadavar link?
Is there any merit to linking the word Cadavar in the article? It points to a very poorly written article (you'll see if you go there, it's been tagged as such and that is the consensus in the Talk page), and the subject matter has nothing to do with the article (it's mostly about the stages of decomposition). Probably in poor taste considering the circumstances, but even that aside it isn't very helpful (and I don't think there are many people out there who don't know what 'cadavar' means anyway, seems unnecessary to have to provide more information). 70.91.35.27 (talk) 16:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Tim

International response
I removed the prayers of the Pope and the condolences of Lukashenko since they're not notable at all, see discussion we had on a similar topic concerning Cyclon Nargis. Such reactions are mostly a question of manner and therefore not to be mentioned here. --Matthiasb (talk) 19:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Hole in Hull
The article states:"San Fernando mayor Nanette Tansingco sent a speedboat and confirmed that the ferry had a hole in the hull..." Although I can't find any sources that state this, the "hole" is a bow thruster. It's supposed to be there as part of the ship. Someone should keep an eye out for a citation to this effect. Without this clarification the impression of the sentence mentioning the hole is that the hull was punctured. It wasn't, or at least no pictures that I've seen show any evidence of a punctured hull. No, I don't have a source to cite, but there should citable sources out there that point out the misleading nature of this facet of the initial report.

See this page for a good view of the thruster: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-06/23/content_8424412_1.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.9.146.66 (talk) 09:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Please use Template:Cite news
When adding new references. Thanks. -- Howard  the   Duck  03:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

At this point of time, let me NOTE that (as in my own case of google links, same in news and encyclopedia), links die within one year or even earlier like in Manila Bulletin, Philippine Star, and worst in The Daily Tribune. Their portals cannot carry links unlike in NYT, BBC, etc. these big ones, where you can still find my very own links undying. So, I thinks, the policy of Wikipedia to use this template must be amended accordingly, because of this. At any rate, when I and many editors use instead the much simpler reference template of, I state with certainty, that this will suffice.
 * Another important point: I discovered that due to money and lust for business wealth, many links would die due to pay per view things. We have accessmylibrary etc. that resurrects the link but you have to pay. So, I really decided to INSTEAD edit by adding more important details, but in the process, my contributions become so long and many editors would amend them due to Wiki policy of keep it short. IN TIME, my long edits would be more of advantage to school and legal researchers, who would need specifics that they would hardly find without payment. Just this good point, on template reference and long edits.--Florentino floro (talk) 10:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't use philstar.com. It does NOT archive news stories. Dunno about Tribune though. Standard-Today, PDI, Business Mirror, ABS-CBN and GMA archive their stories. -- Howard  the   Duck  11:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Survivors and floating corpses, no more
The Philippine Coast Guard on June 24, 2008 reported that it accounted for only 115 (48 survivors confirmed, 67 others confirmed dead, 747, missing) of the 862 passengers and crew of the MV Princess of the Stars. Divers, however said that 15 bodies were found inside the ship's dining area and 2 others in the bridge.gmanews.tv/story, Coast Guard: 48 survivors, 67 fatalities confirmed so far in sea mishap Philippines Navy spokesman Lt. Col. Edgard Arevalo said the ship's interior was too dark: "Most of the bodies were floating inside. They were trapped when the seven-story ship suddenly tilted and capsized. The reports we're getting are that many bodies have been found."yahoo.com,  Only bodies under toppled ferry in Philippinesreuters.com, Divers find bodies in sunken Philippine ferry :Navy divers and rescuers found bodies, wearing life jackets, trapped in air pockets, but no survivors inside the wreck when they entered the upturned hulk of the ferry. The corpses turned white, floating head up inside the mass grave below the waves. A helicopter from U.S. military ship, the USNS Stockham, found 12 corpses floating near Masbate island, but it was not clear if they were from the Princess of the Stars. Sulpicio lines said "it would pay families of the dead 200,000 pesos ($4,500) each and also give survivors financial assistance." VP Noli de Castro presided over the first meeting of the newly created "Task Force Princess Stars."guardian.co.uk, No survivors found in stricken Philippines ferrygmanews.tv/largevideo, VP Noli presides meeting of Task Force Princess Stars, 06/24/2008--Florentino floro (talk) 10:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Those with relatives and researchers can find the list here:*Inquirer.net, Latest Sulpicio Lines list of ferry sinking survivors--Florentino floro (talk) 10:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * abs-cbnnews.com, The world’s 10 worst maritime disasters—in the last 20 years--Florentino floro (talk) 10:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Dead links
The CBC links in this article are dead and need replacing. MeegsC | Talk 21:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Pictures
The pictures Image:PrincessOfTheStar1.jpg, Image:PrincessOfTheStar2.jpg, Image:PrincessOfTheStar3.jpg are still here even though their copyright is disputed. Can't we just mark one of them as fair-use and then put it on the page? --Ysangkok (talk) 09:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't even know where they came from. As long as the ship is still there (like not totally sunk) I don't think fair use can be invoked. -- Howard  the   Duck  11:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Main Focus
The article's focus should not only remain about the tragedy rather, the article should also cover the history of the ship itself. Lonerguy_87 | Talk 13:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

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Image
I found an image on Wikimedia Commons of the Princess of the Stars in 2006, two years before the tragedy. Should we use it in this article?

Link to Image: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:POTSTARS2006.jpg

--CriticalMaster95 (talk) 02:23, 27 March 2021 (UTC)