Talk:Machurucuto raid

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Its gonna take me a while to complete the article it will be complete with information and sources just give me a little bit of time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The 13th 4postle (talk • contribs) 14:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Invasion?
The article's subject is interesting but I think "invasion" sounds exagerated for a 12 man operation. JRSP 11:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Definition of Invasion
What else are you gonna call it? Why don't you add how Chavez wants to celebrate the guerillas who died there and not the Army of Venezuela.

Wikitionary defines invasion as A military action consisting of armed forces of one geopolitical entity entering territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of conquering territory or altering the established government.

Wikipedia says An invasion is a military action consisting of armed forces of one geopolitical entity entering territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering territory, altering the established government, for humanitarian purposes, or a combination thereof. An invasion can be the cause of a war, it can be used as a part of a larger strategy to end a war, or it can constitute an entire war in itself.

Sounds like invasion to me......

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by The 13th 4postle (talk • contribs) 04:07, 10 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Twelve men in a couple of rafts, come on! This is not an "invasion" JRSP 11:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

"Invasion"?
No, the term "Invasion" is not appropriate, in English the word "invasion" has strong connotations of a full-scale attack with the intent of conquering territory. From the sounds of it, this was a team of special forces infiltrating Venezuela to link up with local guerillas.

For a contrast, note that an attack by thousands of men in World War 2 was called the Dieppe Raid, even that wasn't big enough to qualify as an invasion. Perhaps the Venezuelan government called it the "Invasion of Machurucuto" in order to magnify its importance and scale.

I suggest it be called "Machurucuto Incident" unless there's a neutral term (including an English translation of of a neutral Spanish term) by which it's better known.

Eleland 13:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * "Incident" sounds better to me. JRSP 13:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)