Talk:Macquarie University/Archive 1

Outdated image
Image:Macquarie University, Sydney, Australia - central courtyard.jpg is outdated since the uni underwent landscaping renovation several months ago. Does anyone possess a more recent image to replace it? 123.243.26.114 13:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

This still needs a bit of work
This still needs a bit of work on the following There is a book about it, might be worth a read. 3mta3 15:34, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * History could be expanded a bit, establishment of various programs.
 * A bit about the programs offered
 * Sport at uni (Uni games)
 * Conception Day
 * A few pictures wouldn't go astray

Why was Macquarie established? UNSW was established originally as the University of Technology and still has an engineering focus. What are Macquarie's specialities? Linguistics, archeology, chiropractry, media...?--Jack Upland 00:15, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

"Macquarie University has Australia's largest Student Life group, a Christian movement with groups on universities across Australia." Should this be here? it sounds like shameless promotion of this Religous group Flanker05
 * Well, if it is the largest, certainly it should be here.
 * On another note, I have been dabbing on this article before noticing on SAM's web site that SAM membership is currently not mandatory, so this article's claim on mandatory membership and universal student unionism seems to be wrong. Can someone at this university confirm this?—Gniw (Wing) 04:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * well membership is optional, but it's mandatory to pay the fee. - 3mta3 04:42, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Voluntary Student Unionism (VSU) changes this: As of July 2006, it is no longer mandatory to pay the fee, nor be a member of SAM.  However, the EFS (Economic and Financial Studies) division has given a substantial (but unspecified, from memory) sum to SAM to enable it to continue without change until 2007. See http://www.pr.mq.edu.au/events/archive.asp?ItemID=2266 for an official PR statement. Skittled 01:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Location in Macquarie Park
I had typed a big long explanation as to why I am right and some anon user is wrong regarding the suburb Mac Uni is located inbut Firefox crashed. Basically my points are this


 * Look at a street directory. Gregorys, UBD. I don't care. North Ryde ends at Epping Road and just past Lane Cove Road. Further north west you have Marsfield on the south side of Epping Road and Macquarie Park on the whole of the north side until you get to Badajoz Road.
 * Contact the Geographical Names Board. They will say I am right
 * Look at this image.



I lived in Mac Park and studied at Mac Uni so I know what I am talking about. Yes, Mac Uni says it is in North Ryde. It is wrong and the uni knows this. It says its located in North Ryde because more people have heard of the suburb. Also, if it's North Ryde then why is a train station just down the Waterloo Road going to be called Macquarie Park Train Station.Dankru 13:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Location is NOT Macquarie Park, ask the University!
Ok, this seems to be a big issue. It's not. The establishment of the new suburb of Macuqaire Park is a huge debate, which is utterly and completely irrelevant to Macquarie University! I think you should take your issue up with the Univerisity, and until they decide thay are in a different suburb, stick with them.

Macquarie Univeristy's address is NORTH RYDE:

Macquarie University Location: Balaclava Road, North Ryde, New South Wales

That is the address given at: http://www.mq.edu.au/contact/

As a student at the University, I can also tell you that when I enrol in subjects at this university, the "Campus" that is given for all internal subjects is NORTH RYDE.

If the University itself isn't verification enough of its own address, the University Admissions Centre also lists their address as NORTH RYDE.

http://www.uac.edu.au/uni/general/mqGeneral_Info.html

That site explains that the campus is in NORTH RYDE.

All the letters/fliers/transcripts/newsletters I have EVER received from my University list the address as NORTH RYDE.

Some people seem to have an issue with this. There are clearly surrounding places that are officially Macquarie Park, the university however, is in NORTH RYDE, regardless of what an online street directory says. Wikipedia should be going with the OFFICIAL address of the institution, which is NORTH RYDE.

Further discussion
I have put up a compromise on the article. I have told you to get a street directory or contact the Geographical Names Boards. But I did the work for you.

Click on this link. Go to RYDE and you should be able to figure out how to navigate the map system. It's a stupid system but it proves my point. Also look at this webshot taken from the website



As you can see this is off what the NSW Government says as to location. I am still going to compromise and indicate that there are different view points.

For more info go to |the official Geographical Names Board website.

Also, please sign your posts.Dankru 09:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with the above. From what I can see (recent dead-tree street directory), the university is in Macquarie Park. It has its own postcode, and it is in a 'locality' called "Macquarie University", but its technical suburb is Macquarie Park. Given that suburban boundaries do exist, we're interested in where they lie, not necessarily where MQU claims they lie. -Maebmij 14:04, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * There are many many places in "Macquarie Park" that have OFFICIAL, and correct addresses that are NORTH RYDE. Ask the Post Office.  Macquarie Park is basically a pseudo-suburb in North Ryde, which was created as a bit of an industrial hub.  Places like Macq Uni predate the creation of this hub.  They are entitled to call themselves North Ryde, becuase where they are WAS north ryde.  "Macquarie Park" is basically a brand name.  Get real dudes, its official address is north ryde, take it up with the University, or let it rest.


 * Dankru, you said in your email to me, i'm sure you won't mind me quoting, "It is in Macquarie Park because that is what official sources (ie the Government) say." Now, if you go to this GOVERNMENT SITE http://www.goingtouni.gov.au/Main/CoursesAndProviders/ProvidersAndCourses/HigherEducationProviders/NSW/MacquarieUniversity.htm you will see the postal and "Campus Location" is North Ryde.  If you can find me a single OFFICIAL source that says Macquarie Uni is in Macq Park, I'll stop debating you. --Mikenosilly 21:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Right that's it. I have made a fair compromise on this issue. I even wrote it into the page. I have provided you with OFFICIAL Geographical Names Board website location. The post office has nothing to do with this. Posties deliver to incorrectly named suburbs all the time. Look at the comments of Maebmij. That is exactly my point. But I was willing to compromise.


 * You are not compromising at all on this issue. I did an edit which had BOTH viewpoints but you change it. The Going To Uni website is simply re-hashing what Mac Uni says about its location - the Federal Government has NOTHING to do with place names. If you revert to the one viewpoint position again then I am afraid I will take this further through Wikipedia channels. So don't do it.


 * And one other thing. Macquarie Park is an official suburb. I have provided plenty of evidence for this yet you still persist in ignoring what is said. And yes I have found a "single OFFICIAL source that says Macquarie Uni is in Macq Park". It's the Geographical Names Board website. You know, the Government of NSW's Department of Lands. The official sources of place names. As their website says:


 * The Geographical Names Board of New South Wales was established in 1966 as the official body for naming and recording details of places and geographical names in New South Wales.


 * And look, even a Macquarie Uni webpage refers users to the Geographical Names Board website. Is that enough OFFICIAL sources for you; somehow I doubt it. Dankru 22:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I never said Macq Park didn't exist, I simply said Macq Uni is in North Ryde. You haven't provided any proof that Macquarie University SPECIFICALLY, isn't in North Ryde.  Why would every single reference to this institution that i have ever seen, including its own official address, Federal Government sources and the University Admissions Centre, all say that it is in North Ryde???  Becuase it is.  There's no grand conspiracy here: simply an exception to the suburb boundaries. --Mikenosilly 22:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

One more thing, and this part of my argument. Just because someone/something says it is located in a place, does not make that true. I used to live in a suburb, then the boundaries were changed so that I lived in a different suburb. This happened nearly 20 years ago. Mail to the old suburb name still comes in occasionally (bank statements, etc.). My parents even used to call it by the old suburb name and some older neighbours still do.

This does not make them right. At the end of the day what determines ones suburb is not what you say yourself, but what has been designated by the local council (which implements decisions of the Geographical Names Board in consultation with the community concerned).

I accept Mac Uni says it is in North Ryde and incorporated it into the article. If I wanted to be a dick I would simply not incoporate any other view. Dankru 22:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No need to be rude. I have readjusted the page once again.  I would direct your attention to your own favourite source, the Geographical Names Board of NSW: http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/name_search/extract?id=anYblMZTGH


 * I trust that is the end of the matter. --Mikenosilly 01:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Check the link you posted

 * Yep it sure is. I checked out that link. It says at the bottom


 * "A university in the suburb of Macquarie Park."


 * You might want to click on the link and double-check what you say in the future. Sorry but I am afraid a revert is in order Dankru 06:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I double-checked it at the time and it said "A university in the suburb of North Ryde." so well done Mr Dankru, they've changed it overnight. You've changed the world.  It's people like you that make the world fun.  Unfortunately everyone, including the University itself,  still says Macq Uni is in North Ryde.  Ah well, can't win 'em all.  Good to see you're making good use of your Macq Degree too!  --Mikenosilly 18:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Whatever mate. Obviously not everyone says it, do they? I didn't say I had changed the world but your persistence on one viewpoint was really arrogant. Dankru 21:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * And your obsession with the location of Macq Uni is hilarious!! Well done contacting the Geographical Names Board and getting them to get these rogues into line.  How dare they.  Considering there was no evidence for your point of view until you got them to change their details yesterday, I think my point of view was perfectly reasonable.  Let's see if the Uni follows the advice of the Board and changes their address... my money is on nothing changing:  It's outrageous. --Mikenosilly 00:34, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Get a life, you're a pretty petty person. My obsession - speak for yourself. You're the one who wrote three emails to me in a day, before I had even replied. At least I can say I was willing to compromise. All you can say is one argument. I had evidence but you chose to ignore it, like somehow you own the Macquarie University article. I think we know who is "obsessed".Dankru 03:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm a very pretty person. And, I'm smiling...  : )    -Mikenosilly 06:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Well I'm glad this didn't degenerate into a flame war - I would bet that "Macquarie Park" is a subset suburb of "North Ryde", and that you are both right. Just like North Carlingford is a subset suburb of Carlingford and Oatlands is a subset of Dundas. Same postcode, very similar location and both suburbs are correct in this instance. IMHO... --SusanRoy 05:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Conception Day
"It features many big-name bands, and a lot of sun and alcohol." Sounds like a drinkathon whereas we all know that booze is not the only substance going down people's necks. Jimp 17:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * What's your point? --Mikenosilly 13:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Library
"Most students will atest that the Library at first sight induces sore eyes; some say the Library stands like a monolith in the University skyline. Made of concrete walls, the Library houses a dark forboding mood from the outset, but improves on the inside".

I got rid of this. It's nice poetry, but its not relevant to this page. The information isn't bad, but all the use of simile is over the top. Just looks silly. Mikenosilly 13:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

PICT link
Someone added the PICT link a long time ago. It's quite a newsworthy department, and seems to be a useful link. I'm going to keep restoring it until someone can give a decent reason for it to be taken down. --Mikenosilly 13:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Education
The two sentences in the education section seems a bit funny. In my personal view, the first sentence should be removed, while the second one is not education related....

Also, the library part is a bit too short on its own. Any suggestions? -- Cyktsui 05:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Orphan article
Centre for Policing, Intelligence & Counter Terrorism seems to be affliliated witn Macquarie U. Would someone like to clean it up? Simesa 06:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

History
The sections on Di Yerbury's departure and on the student union disputes are inappropriate for an encyclopedic entry - they are b-grade news items more than anything else and do not deserve to be included here. I have removed them both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.185.56.227 (talk) 01:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

- ok I have logged in and made the changes this time, and retained a brief paragraph on Yerbury's departure. The rest of it read like something out of the UK Daily Mirror (or Sydney Daily Telegraph).Michaeljs (talk) 01:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree with anon's comment. The departure of Yerbury and union dispute were well covered in various media sources satisfying the notability requirements for inclusion. Michellecrisp (talk) 12:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, it's notable, but what you have reinstated is long and of poor quality. Like I said, it reads like a trashy newspaper rather than an encyclopedic entry. This isn't a page that has "news" about Macquarie University. I have reverted to the previous version. Michaeljs (talk) 01:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * What makes it poor quality? this is not news but a significant part of the history. It satisfies this part of WP:NOTE If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, Michellecrisp (talk) 05:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems that you have lost all sense of proportion. I am not suggesting both sections be scrapped entirely, I am merely suggesting that the two recent events (both b-grade news items) be given proportionate space. The language used in both sections is loaded and excessive. Look at the two sections in the context of the whole article - which is an article about Macquarie University as a whole, not "recent happenings".Michaeljs (talk) 10:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

- Why poor quality? Where to start? The two sections have excessive quotes, and are generally too long. The bit on student organisations is ridiculously long. I have re-drafted. Rather than reinstate the waffle, see what you think! Michaeljs (talk) 10:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Michelle: were you at Macquarie when this all happened? I really can't understand why you insist on putting this content in. It's as if I'm dealing with a wiki-bot -you simply quote Wikipedia 'guidance' without considering any of the substance of what we are talking about. I would understand if this page on Macquarie was MUCH longer, but seriously, you have devoted a chunk of space to quotes from student hacks - what is the point of this? Why can't we just state the facts and quote the relevant news articles? We don't need to reproduce the quotes in an encyclopedic page on the university!! Michaeljs (talk) 10:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

and then why do you say you have no connection to the uni on my talk page? I am concerned over WP:COI there was a quote from the Vice Chancellor, a state member of parliament which you removed. I quote warnings because you are in fact on the edge of violating WP:CONSENSUS and you continue to do so. I've given you a chance to discuss. I'm concerned over WP:SPA as well as all you seem to be doing is removing without gaining consensus. Michellecrisp (talk) 11:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have a connection to the uni, I asked if you do? (so do you?). So I guess we'll have to wait for somebody else with an eye for quality to weigh in. I noticed you also deleted the entire section on the Library - yes, it was poorly written, but why did you delete the whole thing? Your approach seems a tad inconsistent. To be perfectly honest, it seems to me that you might have an agenda against those student hacks that you quote. Michaeljs (talk) 02:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have absolutely no connection with Macquarie uni or indeed uni student politics. To be honest, your single purpose editing on one topic suggests a strong connection with the university. Copying of what seems a direct lift from a website is a violation of Wikipedia principle. Note that every time you edit the following message appears: Content that violates any copyright will be deleted. Before you accuse me of lacking quality, I am an experienced editor. Michellecrisp (talk) 02:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I find it curious that you claim you have nothing to do with the university, but are strongly defending the inclusion of a very lengthy sensationalist section on student politics at Macquarie. All in the context of a page that is designed to be the encyclopedic reference to the university. It really makes no sense at all. Why would you (a) think about editing the Macquarie page; and (b) insert a lengthy section on student politics? As for me, I stumbled across the page after clicking through from the main page on Sydney.

As to the Library issue: I had nothing to do with that. So I have no idea why you think I am engaging in copyright violation! Michaeljs (talk) 04:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * it's not sensationalist, it's all referenced from reliable sources and well documented and publicised in mainstream media. As I said I have no connection to the uni, I have edited numerous university articles in Wikipedia such as RMIT, you have solely focused on one article only. I'm not blaming you deletion of library material just that you asked why I removed it. Michellecrisp (talk) 06:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Full disclosure: I am an ex-Macquarie student. I have moved the recent developments down the page. It seems more sensible to have these "news items" after the "guts" of the article. I haven't edited the actual content - though I must say I agree with michaeljs about the quality. A lot of it is written in the present tense, which doesn't work well. Digress sm (talk) 04:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Macquarie Global Leadership Program
suggest it deserves its own article now. LibStar (talk) 02:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles_for_deletion/Dunmore_Lang_College
"Dunmore Lang College is a residential college of Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia."

FYI Ikip (talk) 14:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Capitalisation of 'the'
Any reason why the word 'the' is capitalised when the word 'university' follows e.g. The university ? Should it be changed to 'the university'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hohohob (talk • contribs) 10:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No good reason. Changed them all. --Rofish (talk) 00:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

First Students photo
The image captioned "First Students at Macquarie University" was taken from a slope further up which now stands Building W11A Lighthouse Theatre. The building in the centre is E7B. The tall building at the rear is E7A. The view to them is now obscured by Building C10A Campus Hub. The lawn and its circular dip remain, but the chessboard seems to have been temporary. Rofish (talk) 00:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

MUSE / Old library
It is not mentioned that the old library has been refitted into the MUSE student studies area and customer service has been transferred from the Lincoln building. Some customer service assets have been moved that is, not all. Also the refit out of the library MUSE student studies facility concept of colours and experimental contemporary furniture. And ergonomic experimental study concept for student study spaces. The uniqueness of the student study space and the use of colour and unique furniture. (Unique = different. ≠ popular.)

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