Talk:Magda Szubanski

How to contact Magda?
does anyone know how to contact magna szubanski


 * MagDa! No I don't know how to contact her, but someone might, you can run into some huge Kath and Kim fans at foxymorons.net and kathandkim.com, both sites have forum's so it might be wise to start a topic about it ;) Hope that helps you, good luck, Thomas

Pronunciation
Perhaps someone should add how to pronounce her name properly, in the phonetic alphabet which i'm not good at. She's appeared a couple of times on Rove, and her last name is pronounced "Schubine-ski". It's not often that people get it right. Check http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=9NAOyHngVGU --202.161.10.189 (talk) 12:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And they still haven't. It's closest to "Shoo-bahn-ski", but you can get away with "Shoo-ban-ski".  --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  09:23, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Here she states it as "Schoo-bine-ski". I think this would be represented as: —sroc (talk) 11:17, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The Polish spelling of her last name is Szubański, which in Polish is pronounced . English is a good approximation of that. Angr (talk) 14:02, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, is a correct pronunciation of her father's name (I'm taking Angr's word for that) and hers, too, if you believe the www.tv.com article: "She explains the right pronunciation is 'Schoo-bine-ski.' 'But really, Shoo-ban-ski will do.'" However, in her recent Moth Talk (about 30% into the talk), she said, "You know me as Magda Z'banski [my spelling based on listening to her say it, where ban is how we would say that word in the USA], but the way my father would have said my name is Mahgda ." So, I think the correct pronunciation turns on whether "you know me as" means "this is how I pronounce my name". It is worth noting that in her Moth talk and (presumably) the TV.com interview, pronunciation was discussed in the context of her Polish father. It is not uncommon for close relatives to adopt different pronunciations; e.g., Candace Gingrich is "Gingrick," while her half-brother is "Newt Gingritch."  Peter Chastain   [dímelo, por favor]  10:39, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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New heading - "health"
I wasn't sure whether to include the Jenny Craig spokesperson role with her acting career, or as a separate topic. I went ahead with a separate topic, which I at first titled "non-acting role", but then thought that "health" might sound better. Let me know what you think. Roaming27 (talk) 09:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

That's good, and i had considered adding something like that myself but didn't get a chance. You might want to add something about A Current Affair (I think it was) had some people who were critisising her for doing this, as she was a paid spokesperson. --Dmol (talk) 09:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Dmol, I missed that ACA interview. I'll follow-up on it.  Thank you for your quick response.Roaming27 (talk) 09:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

In Libbi Gorr's article, her role as spokesperson for Jenny Craig is headed "Promotional work". Any opinions on that, rather than "health" or "non-acting role"? Kirsty Alley has it included in the career section. Roaming27 (talk) 11:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it's a good idea to look at other articles, and if you look at featured articles or good articles you'll be looking at articles that have already had a number of editors assessing them, so you know they must be OK.  Some examples - Reese Witherspoon uses Other projects.  Kylie Minogue, Eric Bana, Jake Gyllenhaal, Maggie Gyllenhaal all use "personal life" headers with specific subheaders.  That would probably work better when the article is expanded more.   "Other projects" is vague enough to cover it, but it's more accurate than "Promotional work".   Magda is not solely doing it for promotion.   Queen Latifah is also a spokesperson for Jenny Craig, and her article places it under Personal life. Rossrs (talk) 13:38, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Rossrs, thank you for your input. I'll check-out the articles you suggested, thank you for all the links.  "Other projects" does sound pretty good for now.  Roaming27 (talk) 00:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it ironic, that whilst supposedly encouraging and promoting good health and weight loss, Szubanski encourages vilification and violence against cyclists using public roads for exersize? I refer to the television programme "Good News Week", aired September 28, 2009. I predict growing controversy over her comments, which will warrant a section on this page. Julian1968 (talk) 01:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

List or category re Jenny Craig spokespersons?
Is it worthwhile creating one? Or should I move this to the Jenny Craig talk page? Or just go ahead and create something? lol! Roaming27 (talk) 11:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I would suggest that you don't as it will almost certainly end up being deleted. There are so many celebrities endorsing products or projects that there could conceivably be thousands of possible categories, and every celebrity would be on at least one of them.  Rossrs (talk) 13:38, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

September 29 2009 Yet another celebrity using their show as a soapbox against cyclists. Quotes from the OZSOAPBOX Magda Szubanski encourages violence against cyclists. In response to a spot on her TV Show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyEeGFg9F0k 1. Australia has had to put up with Szubanski's monstrous 110kg frame (photo right) for decades. If the general public can stomach staring at Queen of the cupcakes and not throw up, surely it's not too much to ask for Magda to cop a bit of cheek action while she waits to overtake? 2. Beach Road is frequented by groups of cyclists on the weekends on training rides. If you live near it it's also a pleasant commuting route towards the city as it runs towards the Docklands. The bicycle path next to it is a shared path for pedestrians and cyclists. Szubanski appears to be seriously suggesting groups of up to 40 cyclists training at speeds of 30-45km/h should hit the bicycle path and mow over recreational riders using it. Right, because that won't put anyone in danger. 3. Recently she undertook a very much public campaign to lose weight. Shedding over 20kg's since March this year, you'd think someone trying to advocate a healthy lifestyle would have a little more tolerance for cyclists. In addition to that Szubanski is also an ambassador for Enviroweek. It seems that when doing your bit for the environment, planting trees is acceptable but don't you dare get on a bicycle. It's disappointing that someone who seems to be involved in environmental programs and advocating a healthy lifestyle lash out at cyclists. More worrying is the fact that comments like 'take them out', 'open the door, open the door, take that' were encouraged by an audience with applause and cheers. Sure they might sometimes be annoying but every cyclist on a bike is a person. You wouldn't advocate running pedestrians so why is it acceptable to encourage people to kill cyclists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.70.101.167 (talk) 13:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

New Controversey
A new section should be added following a recent controversy involving Magda Szubanski, which can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyEeGFg9F0k

Magda Szubanski calls on drivers to "take-out" or injure cyclists on the road by opening their car door and hitting them. The comments have outraged the cycling community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans friedman (talk • contribs) 22:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh come on, can't we see this on this video that this is a humour thing. Gosh can we get over this and appreciate the humourous tones on this instead of this "controversy business". Isn't she a comédian ?. Relax...  —  L udo p edia  (Talk) 11:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey Hans, it must be great fun round at your house. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnycigarettes (talk • contribs) 12:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

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Blackface
I've removed additions about her historical use of blackface. That's not to say that this is definitely not notable and shouldn't be in the article. But the addition extrapolated into claims and events not supports by the sources cites, and appeared to place undue emphasis on it in the lead. It also didn't attempt to provide any balance by ignoring Szubansk's response to the affair.

If it can be added with proper balance and emphasis, it may still be suitable for inclusion. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 09:41, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

A number of IP editors continue to edit war about this, and still haven't produced a source that suggests any significance to this, or that it resulted in her becoming "controversial", or was anything more than some twitter trolling. I've also already requested that it should be added to the article body, instead of being shoe-horned into the lead. I suspect these IP editors are in fact the same person, but continued edit warring about this, and refusal to discuss here, will likely end up in the article being locked. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 20:20, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Personally I think it should be edit-locked as I am tired of patrolling the paragraph about Jenny Morrison/Handmaid's Tale. The blackface thing is just a distraction.


 * I've requested page protection due to edit warring. It's very difficult to get any meaningful discussion with an editor constantly changing IP like this. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 10:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Something about Szubanski's use of blackface and other characterizations needs to be included but with suitable sources as she clearly has a record of using Blackface some examples of which are posted on YouTube. Szubanki's response or anyone else's attempted justification is not appropriate for an encyclopaedia. Let the facts speak for themselves. The opening statements of this Talk section encapsulates the lack of balanced and reasonable editing:
 * "I've removed additions about her historical use of blackface. That's not to say that this is definitely not notable and shouldn't be in the article."
 * and then:
 * "If it can be added with proper balance and emphasis, it may still be suitable for inclusion."
 * Instead of editing, the POV pushers simply hit the undo button. They set-up and then complain of edit warring!27.33.11.113 (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

No evidence Szubanski is an Australian
Escape_Orbit is quick to criticize but is one of the editors principally responsible for edit-warring and making sweeping edits with no substantial reference. Escape_Orbit's recent edit claimed Szubanski was an Australian and removed a statement that she was English born. Escape_Orbit provided no reference for the edit and claim that Szubanski is an Australian. Escape_Orbit's edit summary asserted:
 * "Is Australian (must be Australian to hold AO award), which is much more significant than place of birth. No source to say she holds British Nationality."

This was supposition to justify a desired POV. Awards in the Order of Australia are often given to non-citizens and foreigners. Prince Charles is a knight of the Order of Australia as was the late Duke of Edinburgh. Neither was ever an Australian citizen. Some awards to foreign recipients have been designated "Honorary". See article on Order of Australia. Szubanski may be an Australian citizen but there is no referenced source evidencing such. That Szubanski was English born is referenced and the referenced material supports her being a British citizen by birth, both of which Escape_Orbit removed from the article without valid justification.

I will request that Escape_Orbit is banned from editing.27.33.11.113 (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The question over the article subject's nationality is a valid content dispute and can be discussed here in a civil manner and based on reliable sourcing.
 * As far as I can tell from this article's edit history Escape Orbit's editing has been in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Claiming they are principally responsible for edit-warring and making sweeping edits with no substantial reference is casting aspersions and uncivil.
 * I don't think you'd get very far in trying to get Escape Orbit banned. Expect a WP:BOOMERANG. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The criteria for nominating someone for an AO is quite clear that they need to be an Australian citizen. Foreigners awarded are rare, as specified here, can only be nominated by the Governor-General or PM, and are honorary only. You are correct that a source detailing here nationality would be good, but in lieu of that there are plenty describing her as Australian. She has also lived in Australia for 55 years, since she was five. So there is absolutely nothing to question that she is not an Australian citizen.
 * She may, or may not, still hold British citizenship and may, or may not, still identify as British. But that is unimportant, and should be sourced. The article lead could also call her "English born", but again, the place of her birth is largely irreverent to her notability.  It's covered in a later section.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 11:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Contradictory rubbish! The first statement claims the criteria for an AO nomination is "they need to be an Australian citizen" but then the very next statement negates this by admitting that foreigners are awarded. The only difference is that nominations of foreigners must also receive government (PM or GG) approval. Not all Order of Australia awards given to non-citizens and foreigners are stated to be "honorary". Receiving an AO does not make someone Australian or evidence that they are Australian.

The fact that Szubanski has lived in Australia for 55 years does not make her an Australian or Australian citizen. The history of the invention of Australian citizenship after 1948 is one that stripped thousands of former citizens of citizenship. British subjects who were born outside Australia, absurdly including those who had arrived before federation and even voted on federation to create the nation of Australia and even some who were ANZACs and other war veterans of Australian services, were excluded from the definition of Australian citizen. So why would it be assumed Szubanski, who was born in England, is an Australian?

Then there is the argument that "there are plenty [of sources] describing her as Australian." Generalizations are not sources as to citizenship.

Then we get the argument that "the place of her birth is largely irrelevant to her notability" but the same applies to her nationality and whether or not she is Australian. It was Escape_Orbit that pushed the line that she is Australian but now claims such matters are irrelevant.

The real issue is that there is not one source evidencing that Szubanski is an Australian citizen and Escape_Orbit should not have made the changes asserting such without some reference. Escape_Orbit went even further and removed statements that Szubanski was English-born and a British citizen, both of which were supported by referenced sources. There was no justifiable reason for Escape_Orbit's edit removing this information. What is needed is at least one reliable source that evidences Szubanski becoming an Australian citizen and whether she renounced her British citizenship or has chosen to remain British.27.33.11.113 (talk) 02:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a Wikipedia article. It is not an official record of citizenship.  If sources say she is Australian then, in the absence of anything to contradict that, she is Australian.  Where she lives, works, and is famous, is very relevant.  That's in Australia.
 * If you look here and here, you will see that Honorary AOs are listed separately from AOs, and are quite rare. There are none in 2019 and Szubanski is listed here among the AOs.  So all evidence and sources point towards her being an Australian, and I see no problem with calling her such.  If you have anything that says differently, please share.
 * That she lived the first five years of her life in England is of interest, but not of such notability that it needs to be in the lead sentence.
 * What source was there that said she remains a British citizen? It's likely that she has dual nationality, but if we had a source it would clarify everything. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 11:49, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Escape_Orbit continues to attempt to self-justify but nothing stated justifies removing material that was referenced in favour of unreferenced material merely preferred by Escape_Orbit's (POV). Escape_Orbit admits:
 * It's likely that she has dual nationality"

but removed reference to Szubanski being English born and a British citizen without justification. Szubanski was a British citizen by birth to a UK resident under British nationality law including the 1948 and 1981 Acts, provisions based on article 24 of the UN ICCPR. The cited references supported the place of birth and parenting and the citizenship automatically followed and it was neither necessary nor appropriate to reference accepted international laws and make the legal argument in a Wikipedia in this or the millions of other articles referring to nationality. From the referenced sources, we know Szubanski was born in England and was therefore a British citizen but we have no source at all as to her ceasing to be a British citizen or becoming an Australian citizen. Escape_Orbit's relying on generalized statements and argument based on original research from Order of Australia awards is not sufficient. I searched for evidence of Szubanski having become an Australian citizen and found nothing. Intriguingly there's no mention of it from her memoir. At this stage of debate, I suspect Escape_Orbit has also searched and found nothing and hence relied on POV and original research. All that is needed is to find one valid source stating Szubanski became an Australian citizen.


 * Please produce sources that describe her as British. Otherwise you really have nothing but hand waving. I merely pointed out her status as on Officer of AO as confirmation of her Australian citizenship, what countless sources already say and what she identifies as. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 12:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Receiving an award as an officer in the Order of Australia does not confirm Australian citizenship. The conclusion is original research. Escape_Orbit keeps evading the facts. Szubanski's birth in England (referenced) to UK resident parents (referenced) describes her as a British citizen. Escape_Orbit still has not produced any source that states Szubanski became an Australian citizen, or gave-up British citizenship.
 * I've asked you repeatedly to produce a cite that describes her as British, similar to those that describe her as Australian. You have none. I've asked you to produce something to show she self-identifies as British.  You have nothing.  I've asked you to produce a cite that suggests her being Australian is disputed or uncertain.  You have been unable to do that.
 * Your constant harping on about the AO, which is not used to support the fact she is Australian on the article, is simply an attempt to distract attention from the fact you have nothing to support your argument.
 * Since you seem to question the description of her being Australian, I've added three cites that do this.  As I've said before, all indications and cites say she is Australian, and that is part of her notability, so that's what this article will reflect.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 08:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC)