Talk:Mahmudali Chehregani

This page is ridiculous, Sources are a JOKE
The sources regarding Kurds, none of them actually work, worse their from "blogs", even worse from nationalistic blogs.

This page resembles a gossip page from a magazine instead of a reputable encyclopedia entry.

Could we have some neutral sources please.

For example, accusations are made against his health conditions using ridiculous sources. Let's look at some reputable sources like "Amnesty International" shall we.

Iran: Health concern/Unfair trial - Dr Mahmudali Chehregani Iran: Health concern/Unfair trial - Dr Mahmudali Chehregani Download: UNKNOWNHTMLPDFIndex Number: MDE 13/011/2000 Categories: Iran, Middle East And North Africa, Middle East And North Africa

Prisoner of conscience Dr Mahmudali Chehregani is reported to be in a critical condition in Tabriz prison clinic. He has apparently been on hunger strike since 19 May, in protest at receiving an unfair trial. A diabetic, with heart disease, prison doctors have reportedly recommended that he be released on medical grounds.\n\n

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE13/011/2000

Contrary to what the Wiki entry is claiming, this guy does have health conditions and faced an unfair trial in Iran.

Torke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.55.7 (talk) 02:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

(moved from article)
He is one of the important and honestly people I know him. all of above views are wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.225.144.50 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 14 October 2006.

OR removal
Removed the OR material in the article. I don't see our having a link called "Azeri genocide" is supposed to be anti-Armenian. If someone can provide a justification for this POV, would be interesting to hear it. Atabek 22:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This article is a character assassination attempt, it contains mostly the negative info taken from obscure blogs, etc. The reference to anti-Armenian sentiment for supporting Azeri genocide is OR. --Grandmaster 07:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ditto. See WP:BLP: "This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous." Regards. E104421 (talk) 17:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Everything is sourced from his own website. Chehregani has called Persians as dog in CNN Turk.  He has petitioned Iranian government to stop the birthrate of Kurds in Westeran Azerbaijan.  And he has made anti-Armenian statements.   I don't mind ethnic rights for any group under the concept of territorial of integrity, weather it is Talysh, Lezgins in the republic of Azerbaijan, Kurds/Zazas in Turkey and Azeris in Iran (although I do not think this one is like Kurds in Turkey).  But Chehregani is the typical pan-Turkist as he states he follows elchibey's guideline.  Also mind wiki-retaliation, just because there is a disagreement on another article, there is no reason to jump into other articles.  For example google books has a good amount of links for "ethnic cleansing" and Ataturk, who is a dead person.  Or the article on PKK is heavily biased against the Kurdish side and just cites many newspapers that are Turkish.  Both of those articles are probably more read than something on an obscure person.  Or there are a good deal of eyewitness accounts from Iranian travellers on the Armenian Genocide that is not included right now into the article.  You do not see Iranian users interfering in those contested articles, so it is better to keep calm and not bring a simple historic dispute in another article into a more controversial article.  I am assuming good faith overall and I am just mentioning the direction we could be possibly heading in if both sides do not calm down (which will lead to arbcomm and etc.).   --alidoostzadeh (talk) 20:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

A JOKE!
This article is a bad joke. Is this about a person, a biography, or somebody tried to prove this person wrong? Somebody clean up please! 89.36.61.55 (talk) 21:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, everything in the article is substantiated very well and are realities about the person and his lack of integrity.
 * The reason that all his contradictory words is because he needed to focus and position himself differently inside and outside Iran. He needed to avoid talk of separatistism for such talks are very unpopular among Iranian Azaris inside Iran. However, outside Iran, he could only find support and funds from Pan Turanist and Western sources. So he adopted to that tone.
 * Anyhow, if it looks like tragic but well substantiated and real. I am sure authors welcome any substantiated knowledge on the contrary and also are willing to clear any part that needs clarification and citations. Persian Magi (talk) 07:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Some of the big errors, or bad editing
If this is a wiki article it does not need to judge, but to present sources. Let e copy-paste some writings that contradict this principle. And by the way, I am not a regular wiki participant so maybe others would attend to take appropriate measures. Some of the judgemental texts in the article are as follows:

one ) "Chehregani has so far not been able to bring evidence that he has a PhD from Tehran University. On his website he claims that he received a degree from Tehran University, yet another biography claims that he received his doctorate from Baku university.[10] In an interview with HRW organizations he alleges that he is a doctor, but so far Mr. Chehregani has not shown that he indeed obtained a PhD from Tehran University." In case this person is lying, why has the editor tried to prove him a liar? Where was he supposed to bring that evidence, and for what purpose?

two ) "Yet regional languages are used in the Iranian Media and Chehregani claims to have specialized in teaching the Turkish language at Tehran University, which contradicts his claims." I suppose the editor meant "Azer Turkish". So if Mr Chehregani studied that language in Tehran University that DOEN NOT contradict his claim because univerity is not exactly the same as school, so why is the editor even trying to prove Chehregani wrong by actually making false claims?

The article simply goes too far in demonising and defaming a person, too much for a biography, and I think Iranians doing these editings (I am Iranian too but not active here) are not doing anyone any good by these types of articles. There is simply TOO MUCH in this article and I do not have the necessary time to write about all of them, but the article deinitely needs some serious overhaul to become an informative article and not a Iranian-style propaganda trying to defame and ridicule a person. Nobody is perfect afterall. 89.136.167.247 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Completely biased
Currently in Iran there are courses of Chinese or Swahili Language in universities. Is this a sign that chinses is a the language of some schools in Iran. Turks are more than 35% of the Irans population not 15%. This article is written completely by Pan Iranists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.106.63.124 (talk) 05:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Exaggerating your numbers in Iran will not win you any arguments. Go read the sources on the "Azerbaijani" wiki page and you will find the number of turks to be even lower than 15% in Iran. Just because the facts in this article don't fit your warped worldview does not make it "written completely by pan-Iranists". --Qahramani44 (talk) 27 November 2018 —Preceding undated comment added 17:57, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Rename of Category
Some of you may wish to participate in the discussion on renaming the category Armenian Genocide deniers to Armenian Genocide skeptics. The discussion is here. --Anthon.Eff (talk) 18:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Scrap this article
This article is an embarrassment to WP. Evidently biased, written wholly in POV with unreliable sources. Fixing this article to meet WP standards would just leave a mess so i propose it should just be scrapped instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.12.132 (talk) 00:25, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

UNPO is not a reliable source
Due to previous disscusion :, "The UNPO is probably not a reliable source. It seems to represent extreme minority positions and also appears to be a questionable source. It does not appear to be received as credible or widely acknowledged as a credible organization. I strongly recommend sticking to what's been reported about the organization's statements and views by traditional reliable publications" --Alborz Fallah (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed therefore I will delete this sentence
"However, contrary to Chehregani's claims, regional languages, including Azeri are routinely used in Iranian Media. Moreover, Chehregani claims to have specialized in teaching the Turkish language at Tehran University, which contradicts his claims that the Turkish language is forbidden in Iranian schools."

There is no references AT ALL given in this and i believe this is just editors own claim. Therefore I will delete this untill references are put in.Tugrulirmak (talk) 15:09, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Remove links to MHP
"Connections to the MHP his connection with far-right Turkish Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) is also noticeable and recently he and the leader of the Turkmen front were awarded the medal of Turkishness by MHP leader Devlet Bahçeli. On his trip, Chehregani paid his respects to Alparslan Türkeş, the founder of the MHP party.[24][25]"

This should be removed as the information does not fill the criteria of being sourced by a reliable source. The source of this information is called mergewer.blogsky.com/?PostID=12. This is a blog writen by a source that is banned from the website he/she has written in. We do not know who wrote it and most importantly it is a blog conveying opinion rather than fact. The evidence therefore can not be accessed. Tugrulirmak (talk) 17:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Section
The section on the Armenian genocide had nothing to do with political views rather historic views. Also its POV to say that because he writes about the Azeri Genocide it is anti-Armenian. With the same logical than it is anti-Turkish to write about the Armenian genocide. This section was really ackward and lacked any real sources, therefore I removed it. Neftchi (talk) 21:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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