Talk:Make America Great Again

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2023
Change the sentence: "Multiple journalists, scholars, and commentators have called the slogan racist, regarding it as dog-whistle politics and coded language.[2][3][4][5]" to "Some journalists, scholars, and commentators have expressed that in their opinion, the slogan may be racist, attempting to link it to dog-whistle politics and coded language."

Add, "Others, however, have interpreted the slogan entirely differently, saying it has "vision" to it and that it alludes to stronger economic times, employment opportunities, and security. [2] This wild dichotomy of interpretation both lends to the popularity of Trump's slogan just as much as its infamy, something that David Axelrod, former Chief of Staff to President Obama, credits to the flexibility and simplicity of the message, allowing it to resonate with specific target audiences. [2]" Dsexauer827 (talk) 09:15, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The first suggested change introduces a number of MOS:WEASEL words, which would no longer accurately reflect the definiteness of their conclusions. The second change, a suggested addition, would equate the reported opinions of people who are not journalists, scholars, or commentators, with those who are (for instance, the person reported as having used the term "vision" is an audio engineer). The language also introduces an analysis of the phrase not present in the source: that there is a "wild dichotomy of interpretation" and that the dichotomy "lend to the popularity" of the slogan. Pinchme123 (talk) 18:16, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

"MAGA Communism" Section
There is currently a discussion on the Jackson Hinkle article about whether to include "MAGA Communism" in this article and remove it from that article. Here are the RS with more information about "MAGA Communism". I would expect it to be in the "Derivative slogans" section. Alleycat1995 (talk) 13:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * RE: moving MAGA Communism proposal
 * Just to say this was a suggestion I made and another contributor supported, but in hindsight based on the current length of the section it may be deemed inappropriate for MAGA, and instead better suited to Hinkle's page with a short reference in this one. I'd otherwise say on reflection it would be better suited to the References to the slogan by others section, or even a standalone section, given it's technically not a derivative of MAGA, but instead a "type of" MAGA politic. Pinging top contributors for comment.
 * @InvadingInvader @LM2000 @Davide King @Ylee @Neutrality @Andrewmcfar @Kches16414 @Chris Capoccia @Steveok1 @Marisauna CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 12:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with CommunityNotesContributor. As things stand, I do not think a full "MAGA Communism" article would be longer than this. It is also mainly associated with Hinkle (so I would oppose moving that section here on the same undue weight ground correctly argued by CommunityNotesContributor), and Haz does not have his own article yet. So other than having a little mention here, as suggested by CommunityNotesContributor, I think that is all we should do. I would wait some more time and more reliable sources coming out for a full article. Davide King (talk) 14:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2024
Change: Los Angeles Times opinion columnist...both one of the worst campaign slogans ever the slogan and "a fabulous campaign slogan"... To: Los Angeles Times opinion columnist...both one of the worst campaign slogans ever and "a fabulous campaign slogan"... 2601:206:8302:FCA0:51C2:8748:BB04:BAB5 (talk) 15:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 17:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Make America Great Again © Music-Lyrics Copyright 2015
EDITOR PLEASE READ

The Song 'Make America Great Again' © was copyrighted August 31, 2015 - It was the very FIRST song to use the "Make America Great Again" © title.

Make America Great Again © was professionally recorded by Bobby Palermo, Vietnam Veteran BEFORE Trump was elected. Bobby, an international Singer-Song Writer has recorded over 200 songs in his long career and performed in over 23 countries around the world, and coast-to-coast USA. Bobby has won three awards in Billboard Magazine for his Original Music

Over the many years, Bobby Palermo has performed with such greats as Bob Hope, Tony Orlando, Dianna Ross, Little Richard, Frankie Valli, Fats Domino, Lloyd Price, Dion, Connie Francis, Fabian, Bobby Rydell, etc., etc.

https://Bobby-Palermo.com

Type of Work: Music. Registration Number / Date:  PAu003781770  /  2015-08-31. Application Title:  Make America Great Again ©. Title:  Make America Great Again ©. Copyright Claimant:   Bobby Joseph Palermo. Date of Creation: 2015. Authorship on Application:  Bobby Joseph Palermo. Authorship: Music and Lyrics.

Steve K7 (talk) 22:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * You could go ahead and add this if you tone down the drama and just put like 1 sentence about it. Stick to the facts. LesbianTiamat (talk) 18:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Bobby Palermo, FIRST Professional Singer to record "Make America Great Again" © Rally Song - 2015 Copyright Steve K7 (talk) 03:12, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Read the Wikipedia Simplified Manual of Style and then add the information to the article. LesbianTiamat (talk) 03:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Bobby Palermo, professional singer, first to record "Make America Great Again" © rally song Steve K7 (talk) 03:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In music
 * Singer Bobby Palermo produced first single "Make America Great Again" © in 2015 before Trump was elected. Steve K7 (talk) 14:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

When was America great?
Eric Holder and others ask "When was it that America was great?", which is easily shot down by pointing out the bad things at any point in the past (slavery, jim crow, etc). But writers such as Fareed Zakaria have pointed out that MAGA does not really refer to any specific point in the past. Rather, MAGA is a reaction to the fast pace of change in general (ethnic, political, technological), and the alienation and resentment that many feel about this fast pace of change. As this article develops, I think it would be quite astute to incorporate this viewpoint of Zakaria and others into the article. --Westwind273 (talk) 16:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

The New Propaganda War
These are excellent articles (a MUST read!) dealing with MAGA's war against truth, freedom, and democracy. It is carried on by elements of Trumpism (MAGA, GOP, Trump) and Trump's autocratic dictator friends.
 * "The New Propaganda War"
 * Oliver Darcy's commentary about it: "Journalist sounds alarm on dangers of propaganda, calling it 'one of the worst crises for American democracy this century'"

The refs are fully usable as is. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 19:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

When I was a teen I read Hitler step by step
He said Germany for the Germans and Make Germany great again before Regan,it is a hitlerian contribution to secret phraseology. 2604:2D80:9780:9200:7990:7573:BEE8:73EF (talk) 16:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Stated Tenets?
What are the stated tenents of MAGA with references to original material (so we can verify validity of the tenents provided)? 2601:680:CC86:9650:B5F3:66BE:5A42:FC1B (talk) 22:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Suggesting "MAGA" a racist dog-whistle in the first paragraph is unnecessary.
I have never heard anyone use "MAGA" as a racist dog-whistle, but I'm sure it happens, albeit very uncommonly. I feel that putting this information in the first paragraph makes the article seem biased and unnecessarily taints the reader's view of the slogan as they read through the Wiki page. I think it should either be removed or moved to a different section further down. The cited articles for this statement are either exploring whether the "MAGA" statement is racist (and do not come to any concrete conclusions) or seem to be written in bad faith simply to disparage the phrase and/or Donald Trump. 64.189.202.180 (talk) 23:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Ignores Goldwater
This page ignores that Goldwater used the phrase in his 1964 Republican campaign for President. Pretty huge error to not have the first use in American politics almost two decades before Reagan. 2601:1C2:1B7F:3260:3919:E7:CE8B:F7FE (talk) 04:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)