Talk:Malcolm Young/Archive 1

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Apparently this pages picture was taken in the future, because its only Aug 27 09 and the picture is apparently from Aug 29 09 malcolm is the best in the whole wide world!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.17.167.230 (talk)

Image:Malcolm.jpg has been listed for deletion
Well, that's a stupid name for some image! The image currently on the page is more specific than the less specific one uploaded. Ac-dcfreak785 9:20 29 June 2006

Year emmigated?
-	Can anyone confirm what year the Young family left Scotland for Australia? --Design 10:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC) Well.. I Think that Angus was about 6 when they Immigrated (Dont Bug me about Spelling, Im only 14!)

Malcolm young is not australian! He is Scottish! stop changing his nationality back to australian, he is scottish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.43.96.25 (talk) 22:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

He is a naturalised Australian citizen. Therefore an Australian. Ebglider91 (talk) 02:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Equipment
Unsourced statement re: played different guitar in 74-75. Commented out; please feel free to re-insert if proper citation found.

BTW, how DOES one insert a "Citation needed"? 69.136.13.211 (talk) 03:22, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * You insert it by adding the code  to the text that needs a citation. --Vandraedha (talk) 09:53, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

He was raised in Australia, for the most part.

He has a house in Australia, like Angus.

He sounds Australian.

He says he is Australian

He is Australian.

Scottish Born Australian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew9148 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I think this is correct although his children are Scottish-Australian. In any case, it should be moved to the main part of the article. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 01:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Sick son?
"...and it was officially announced that he was tending to his sick son, which did have an element of truth to it."

An element of truth? Was his son sick? If so, shouldn't that have been mentioned? CulturalSnow (talk) 10:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Drinking problem
Can this be replaced with alcoholism? Rissa, copy editor (talk) 01:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Only if a majority of reliable sources say it was alcoholism. Flat Out (talk) 05:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Notable Instruments
Does anyone have sources for the Fender telecaster which is in the infobox? Flat Out (talk)

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Australian versus Scottish-Australian - Malcolm Young
There seems to be an issue for User:Bretonbanquet with Malcolm Young being situated as Scottish-Australian versus Australian. Before knee-jerk reacting, please research epigenetics and the importance of the "first five years" in human development; please also read up on the "triplet in Scottish music" to understand AC/DC's formative albums with their strong Celtic folk music influence and note why the band when consisting of members Angus, Malcolm and Bon used a bagpipe solo in a song -- as a born and raised Canadian, not only am I a giant compared to my Scottish-Canadian siblings, but have vastly different environmental, dietary, societal, cultural, and musical influences than they do -- falsifiable scientific facts "Trump" personal make beliefs every time... pun intended!
 * More precisely, it's an issue for the rules and guidelines of Wikipedia. What you're citing there is original research and is not reliably sourced, or in fact, sourced at all. In any case, please read MOS:CONTEXTBIO and realise that for biographies, "previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability" Nationality in the lead sentence should be " the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable". AC/DC were formed in Australia by Australian citizens, and their notability is tied to Australia. The Youngs' and Scott's Scottish birth is mentioned elsewhere in each article, and does not belong in the lead. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * But it does belong in the lead about Angus, because he's the lead guitarist. Your response only highlights that the rules and guidelines of Wikipedia are outdated and need to evolve in relation to scientific research -- the OCD/Asperger idea of eternal truths set in unwavering stone that require vigilant gatekeeper enforcement is a mere religious belief. I realize that the class-based UK education system follows this mindset/paradigm, but please read a book or two on the subject and help Wikipedia keep up with our continually evolving reality. Be part of the solution instead of part of the problem!
 * Your personal view of what reality is, or should be, is, happily, not relevant. If you want to change the rules, the relevant talk page is this way → Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * My personal opinion? Yes, I invented the phrase African-American.
 * At the risk of prompting further non sequiturs, I have indicated to you the correct place for this discussion, if you wish it to have any meaning. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:41, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * As there is now obviously no point in discussing the need to have the last word and be seen as correct (despite evidence and fully dependent on the positive feedback loop of self-reinforcing rules), it is always interesting to see those reliant on mere rhetorical devices. I've always viewed that as such a lazy way of thinking -- a person only has to master the tricks of rhetoric once -- as opposed to the continual learning student model required of science. Thank you very much for directing me (I actually enjoy learning from those with more experience in new areas) and I am already in the process of challenging the outdated MOS regarding this, instead of using contempt to defend personal power/turf/authority in the face of scary challenges/change. Non sequitur, Love-15. Speaking of which, why do wannabe intellects always revert to Olde Latin (and Ancient Greek) to somehow end an argument even though those language(s) completely failed the "survival of the fittest" conceit (that said people always worship) and were actually ended by going extinct among the living -- leaving modern status seekers sharing an agreed upon false belief of how those dead languages should be pronounced or used?
 * Don't forget to sign your comments. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:35, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

If they are so Australians, then why isn't Olivia Newton-John cited only as Australian? If the place you're born is less relevant than the place you're raised, then Olivia Newton John is exclusively Australian and the Bee Gees are exclusively Australians. Is that so? G. Picanço (talk) 18:35, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Are they Australians citizens? Yes. But they were still Scottish-born, even if they no longer held Scottish nationality. There is a difference between Scottish-Australians and Scottish-born Australians. Scottish-Australians hold dual citizenship. Scottish-born Australians don't. They only hold the citizenship that wasn't given to them at their birth (Australian). G. Picanço (talk) 18:46, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Birthplace and/or ethnicity does not belong in the lead section, only citizenship, per MOS:ETHNICITY. Also, stop trying to pass these edits off as "typos" in your edit summary, it is deeply unimpressive. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Nationality
Should Malcolm and Angus not be listed as British-Australian?

They were both born in the UK and lived there for 10-12 years before emigrating to Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.143.87.249 (talk) 13:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * They were both Australian citizens. The details of where they were born and spent the first few years of their lives are made pretty clear, but the lead paragraph only shows citizenship nationality. Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

They were still Scottish-born, like Bon Scott. You can't say that they are Australian musicians born in Scotland because they had no Australian background at all. It's more proper to call them Scottish-born Australians than just Australians. They were born Scotland, and later won Australian citizenship, revoguing their Scottish nationality. It still doesn't undo the fact that they were Scottish-born. G. Picanço (talk) 18:27, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

They were not Scottish-Australians, because they didn't hold dual citizenship. They were Scottish-born Australians, holding only Australian citizenship. G. Picanço (talk) 18:48, 5 December 2020 (UTC)