Talk:Malietoa Tanumafili II

Those knowledgeable in Samoan affairs, please help confirm or deny this material!
The article as written before I revised it had some stuff that looked really questionable to me. Here's the material I took out -- anyone who knows more on the subject, please help!

The first bit:

''It is not surely known who will be his successor. There are 3 possible candidates. His successor must get all the four titles in order to become the Tafaifa or monarch of Samoa.''

OK, first off, the titles Tafaifa and king are nowhere else used in the article -- everything else says his title is O le Ao o le Malo, i.e., head of state. Furthermore, the Samoa article confirms what I had heard on the subject:

''Samoa's two high chiefs at the time of independence were given lifetime appointments to jointly hold the office of head of state. Malietoa Tanumafili II has held this post alone since the death of his colleague in 1963. His eventual successor will be selected by the legislature for a 5-year term.''

This seems to imply that once M.T. dies, a new head of state office will be put into place, one based on election rather than noble descent. Does anyone know what the original material in this aritcle refer to? Will the traditional office continue, though Samoa won't use it for its head of state?

The second bit:

''King Malietoa Tanumafili II is the first reigning monarch of Samoa who is a Bahá'í and the second worldwide after Queen Marie of Romania. The Bahá'í House of Worship in Tiapapata, eight km from Apia, Samoa, was dedicated by him in 1984.''

M.T. may in fact be a Baha'i, so I'm leaving that in. But there's nothing on Queen Marie's page about her faith, and, more to the point, she was a queen consort, not a "reigning monarch," so I'm taking references to her out. --Jfruh 17:58, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Oops, I see the bit about Marie now. I'm re-adding it.  She's still not a reigning monarch. --Jfruh 18:00, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Please correct the inaccuracies re Malietoa Tanumafili II. He is the Head Of State and his refered to as His Highness Malietoa Tanumafili II. NOT His Royal Highness Malietoa Tanumafili II. The concept of ROYALTY especially in terms of a royaly family is a Western imposition or interpretation and does not quite fit in with Samoan political. The term agia tupu is literally kingly families of which there are four but given the fact that Samoans trace decent bilineally and to many many degrees this makes such families very HUGE and complex ... ie everybody is related. Plus the titles do not get handed down father to son as the extended family decides who gets a title and it can end up going to a distant cousin of the previous holder. Also Maliteoa is NOT the King of Samoa. This is an annoying misrepresentation and missconception. Samoa is NOT a constitutional Monarchy. When Malietoa Tanumafili II passes away the next Head of state will be elected by parliament. Alos he does NOT hold the four paramount Titles Tamasese, Mata'afa, Malietoa and Tuimalealiifano, let alone the tafifa (Tui Aana, Tui Atua and two others). Malietoa hold the Malietoa Tanumafili title, Tamasese Efi holds the Tui A'an. There is a Mata'afa and a Tuimalealiifano. I am not sure who holds the Tui Atua let anole the other two similar titles.


 * You can fix these inaccuracies yoursel! That is the beauty of Wikipedia.  Feel free to edit as you see fit. --Jfruh 17:28, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Faumuina is the only one with the four titles (Tupufia) look it up in Samoan history. - unsigned by 68.66.248.136

Succession
According to the CIA World Factbook ( www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook ) When Tanumafili II passes on, his successor will be elected by the Samoan parliament to serve a 5 year term, with no term limits.

--I hope this clears up the confusion Pine 21:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And just to clarify, Samoa is and will be a republic, not an elective monarchy. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 22:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The change changed the term of the head of state (O le Ao o le Malo) of a Republic of Samoa and did not alter the form of government or change it to a republic from a supposedly elective/constitutional monarchy. Samoa was a republic with two lifelong head of state at the beginning and never was a monarchy, something I feel the West misinterprets.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Year Tanumafili became Malietoa
Did Tanumafili became Malietoa in 1939 or 1940? Different news stories and obituaries have given conflicting dates about when he official received this title. Thank you! --Scanlan 13:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It makes more sense if it was 1940 since the title wasn't hereditary and successors have to be chosen or elected presumably after a mourning period.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:25, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Fidel Castro
I removed the mention of Fidel Castro as according to Head of state, he's in fact only been the head of state since 1976. Prior to that, he was Prime Minister under a figurehead President. Remember that it's fairly common that the head of state is a figurehead roles anyway so there's nothing that unusual I would assume about pre-1976 Cuba. Also, since I removed Castro, someone needs to check, preferably with a reliable source that he was indeed the 7th longest serving head of state (or perhaps the 6th) at the time of his death since he was obviously serving for longer then Castro Nil Einne 19:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed the 7th longest serving head of state completely as it makes no sense if the info in head of state is correct. According to it, the longest serving republican head of state entered office in 1967, so I don't see how he can be the 3rd longest amongst monarch but the 7th most overall. Perhaps people are confusing heads of states vs heads of government in situations other then with Castro Nil Einne 19:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

biography of Malietoa Tanumafili 2
i want to know the lifi of this well known Head of State in the world. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.100.216.2 (talk • contribs).

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