Talk:Managua

Earthquake
The earthquake in 1972, how many did die? here it says abit over 19.000, but the article linked to as sources says "up to 10.000 are killed in nicaraguan capital, Managua" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.183.75.13 (talk) 20:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Old talk
Managua has a population of 1.6 million people. Making it the second largest city of Central America, after Guatemala City. It does not have a population of 500,000 as posted by a user. - 69.175.40.52

I have emailed Nicaragaun Tourism Institute (http://www.intur.gob.ni/index_eng.html) to see if I can get a photo of Managua, that is not subject to copyright issues. Hopefully I can get a reply soon and maybe even get a piece of pie. CooldogCongo

Grammer
The grammer on the page was not that great. However, I did what I could to revise sentences that sounded awkward, misleading, biased, etc. I doubt this was the work of the government, but I would suggest that the author be a little less biased. I think the bias brought the quality of the article down. However, I will try to work with it to improve it.

grammar, not grammer

Not much hurricane
While Hurricane Mitch devastated the rural parts of Nicaragua, Managua got off without much serious damage. Hence, I eliminated the line about damage to the city as a result of that hurricane


 * Indeed: I live in Managua and I have obtained enough independent reports of the damage from Mitch in 1998 (in response to neutral prompts) to show that Managua was indeed severely affected by Hurricane Mitch. So you may want to reconsider that removal.

sandanistas and nicaraguan sign language
What exactly was the role of the Sandanistas in gathering deaf children together in schools "to engender Socialistic education" as this page claims? A similar claim was previously made on the ISN page — specifically that the school was set up by the Sandanistas — but in fact the school where the language emerged was opened in 1977 — two years before the revolution. Is there any reason to believe that the Sandanistas and/or socialism have anything other than a co-incidental role in the birth of this language? ntennis 05:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Sandinistas/sign language
The Sandinistas did set up the sign language school according to some learning channel networks I've seen. Perhaps they did not construct the building brick per brick.

La Prensa vs. El Nuevo Diario
The article states that La Prensa is the most important/independent newspaper in Nicaragua. This is a very personal POV as La Prensa is as much right-wing as El Nuevo Diario is left-wing. --Magicartpro 22:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The title of the cited article is "La Prensa" newspaper and its journalists harassed for reporting on alleged corruption and does not evidence the statement of La Prensa being "by far the most important and independent newspaper of the nation". Magicartpro 03:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

To put it bluntly: biased article
I hate to word it this way, but I've been living in Managua for months; I know the local and the foreign opinions (coming from America and Germany); and to me, this article has a very definite skew. "Surprisingly the safest city in Central America, and possibly all Americas"? I haven't looked closely, but I don't think I would find anything that is outright untrue; just opinions and putting the "best light" on a lot of things, like the highway condition and the commute situation. What about the crime? What about the lack of centralization? Poverty? Did this come from the Nicaraguan government - trying to attract tourism? (From the way they work, I wouldn't be surprised if it did.) I will look into this article more thoroughly.

Incidentally, while I have only a partial view of the situation, I have a North American contact here who has lived in Managua for over 10 years. She took a look at the article, and agrees with me both that the article is distinctly slanted, and that it appears to have been done so by the Nicaraguan government itself.

hmmm. maybe not the safest city of all the Americas, but the crime rate is defenetely much lower than those of other cities in Latin America. It is partly biased, but I see nothing trully wrong with it. The lack of centralization you mention should be mentioned. Hanek45 19:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I recently heard that Interpol rated Nicaragua the safest city in all of Latin America. I checked briefly their website and could find nothing... I also heard US News did a report claiming the same thing...--Agrofe 17:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I see the slant in the articvle but doubt it is the government. There are many Nicaraguan's who try to gloss over the realities in Nicaragua (particularly poverty and poor infrastructure). I think some of the recent edits have help this bias a bit.--Agrofe 19:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

''Well, as a Nicaraguan I can explain the decentralization issue. It was done this way on purpose. The earthquake destroyed the entire center of Managua with the exception of maybe three buildings (including the Ruben Dario Theater, and what are now the Central Bank and Crowne Plaza Hotel. Since Managua is very susceptible to earthquakes, it was decided not to build it with a center, so that the even of its destruction wouldn't repeat itself'' 216.230.147.197 00:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)JB

Hi 216.230.147.197, thanks for the input here. The geological/seismic stability of the center of Managua was certainly used as a pretext to decentralize the city. However, the Somozas and their cronies owned much of the real estate, building supply companies and construction companies. For this reason, many argue, laws were changed to force rebuilding on the former outskirts of the city. What are your thoughts on this?--Agrofe 15:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I just got back from Managua and I agree totally: This article is biased. Where's the mention, here or in the Nicaragua article, that this is the second poorest country in the Western Hemisphere? Where is the section about the people who literally live in garbage dumps?
 * It isn't the second poorest in the Western Hemisphere. Please check the Human Development Index. Mbhskid520 (talk) 06:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

A little balance would be welcome. 66.206.186.59 (talk) 22:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Statistics speak for themselves my friend. If organizations and foreign media news outlets report this and sources are cited adequately, I'm afraid I'm not sure what balance you're asking for. I've worked on addressing your concerns.Mbhskid520 (talk) 06:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Date of establishment as the national capital
León, Nicaragua says 1858; this article says 1857; es.wiki says 1855. Which was it? Biruitorul 06:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The offial website of Managua says "en el año de 1892, es constituida capital de la República de Nicaragua." []. So??? Lets take the middle value, say 1876?? Or maybe better we take a Hijra count where a few years more or less don't matter because nobody knows if we count lunar or solar years!!  --Kipala 19:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Sister Cities
I just deleted a repeat in the sister cities and noticed it said Managua has 18 sister cities while only 17 are listed. Are there only 17 or is one simply not listed? Also, what happened to the flag of Panama?

social situation?
I have been working in managua's barrios for months, and I notice an important lack of information concerning the social situation of the country. There are dangerous drugs cartels in the city. There is terrifying poverty and la chureca, the municipal dump, is one of the biggest in central america and I find important to mention it. Unfortunatly, I still have some difficulties to write in english, but I will work on a small article about that, maybe you can support me by correcting some grammatical faults. Furthermore, I think it is extremly important to show the good and the bad sides of this country I personaly adore, because if tourists consult this article, they must be aware of how it really is, to prepare themselves before departure. Most of the cooperants I know in Managua have been through dangerous situations implicating guns and thiefs or just intimidation, so it would be a mustake to ignore that. :)- Dobara
 * Isolated incidents do not correctly depict the entire nation nor the entire capital. The dump's mentioning doesn't seem significant for one big reason: no one really goes there. It has no substantial value in terms of defining the city. As such, when we talk about places like New York City where I am from, no one really speaks bad about the city's housing projects until you reach an article that specifically describes in detail the situation. The dump doesn't have significance in this article. If you wish to address this problem (with sources), create an article.Mbhskid520 (talk) 06:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Crime
this needs a crime section if one or two countries in central america have a crime section Nicaragua needs one too because nicaragua is corrupt like no other and has crime problems especially in the theft department.66.161.18.212 16:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You are on the wrong page. Crime is a national issue, not specifically to the city. Crime does not isolate itself on one geographical area.Mbhskid520 (talk) 06:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Violent crime is escalating in the Atlantic coastal regions and the Corn Islands, and the Nicaraguan National Police do not have the resources to combat it. The U.S. Embassy in Managua has received reports of numerous crimes against residents and tourists in the region and now prohibits personnel from traveling to the area, with limited exceptions. http://www.worldtravelwatch.com/05/09/nicaragua-violent-crime-in-atlantic-coastal-regions.html there is my source66.161.18.212 16:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please check NGO statistics. It speaks for itself.Mbhskid520 (talk) 06:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

i got another source an april 2007 source a government source wich is very reliable. Managua Armed Robberies. https://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=66949 66.161.18.212 16:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * OSAC generalizes its reports based on isolated incidents. It may not be wise to generalize the country or city as such. NGO data with non-biased viewpoints yield better results.Mbhskid520 (talk) 06:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Crime2
i found this article on crime in managua its from 2006 wich means its recent facts that need to be used for this section

i didnt copyright i changed alot of the phrases

''Managua the Epicenter of crime in Nicaragua Managua experienced a rise in violence and crime throughout 1990's. Violent crime in Managua is for various reasons such as political violence, Civil war crime and delinquency.

Gangs in Managua are a widespread phenomenon that is growing fast. Currently managua has more than 110 gangs with more than 8,000 members. These gangsare responsible for 50% of all crimes in Nicaragua and 60% of all crimes in Managua. violence and gang warfare is prevalent.These gangs are responsible for theft, mugging, pick-pocketing they also have involvement in the drug trade among other criminal activities.''[2]

and this is the original one ''Managua, Nicaragua epicenter of crime in Nicaragua

experienced rising levels of violence and criminality throughout 1990s

40% of all crimes in Nicaragua committed in Managua – half of these reported crimes considered violent

nature of violence and violent crime shifts from political violence and civil war to crime and delinquency Pandillas – youth gangs – in Managua

now a prevalent and widespread phenomenon – growing rapidly

currently more than 110 pandillas with approximately 8,000 members concentrated in lower-class barrios – poverty and lack of opportunity drive membership territorially based in specific neighbourhoods defend territory as a source of identity and pride Lower class barrio in Managua Pandillas commit variety of crime, often employing firearms

responsible for disproportionate share of criminal activity

commit 50% of all crimes in Nicaragua and 60% of all crimes in Managua violence and gang warfare prevalent

robbery, mugging, pick-pocketing and involvement in drug trade among other criminal activities'' and here is the link http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/focus/youth_gun/managua9_e.htm

This article and the information that it contains needs to be added on permanently. It isnt just factual information but it is good for the reader to be aware of actual events. This entire managua section is more opinion oriented than facs oriented. This is an encyclopedia wich means it needs to be neutral and true not just because you are from that country you will make it sound like its europe when face it its the poorest country in central america the 2nd poorest in the western hemisphere it has crime specially in managua and that information needs to be on there.66.161.18.212 20:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You keep erasing information and adding in duplicate info but ill add the percentage of crime shares in the city. Another thing, the number of gang members in Managua alone is no where near 8,000. The website you provide is not as reliable than this one, besides where are the dates on that page? That information, as opposed to the one i provide, could be from the 70s for all we know. -- LaNicoya  •Talk•  21:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

This is not your webpage that information is very reliable if you cant even follow wiki rules just because you dont want the truth about your country to be posted that is your problem get a blog or whatever and do what you want with it but this is wikipedia and the information is very reliable wether you like it or not66.161.18.212 17:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT ILEGAL IN NICARAGUA ANYMORE. THE OLD SODOMY LAW BECAME NULE IN JANUARY 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.212.29.112 (talk) 07:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

you have used tourism pages to make your tourism section and more so i found 2 tourist sections that have what the crime section needs like this one

and this one  it doesnt say nicaragua isnt a nice country it just warns about the dangers and that is something that needs to be put in the crime section. obviously its true because several websites have the same warning over and over. This section needs to put facts and reality into their articles not like you that you ignore all the real information and look for good things to add on to the section that is not the way it works is not what you want your country to be seen as but what is true. Wikipedia needs to have higher standards when it comes to who volunteers because with someone like you who cant get over their patriotism to put reality into an article it must mean wikipedia has very low standards and must not care about the encyclopedia66.161.18.212 16:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please remember to assume good faith about other editors. Also, please use proper capitalization and punctuation. Your current edits are hard to read. It is best not to make broad, general criticisms, but rather to either point to specific problems or make corrections to inaccuracies.Notmyrealname 16:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

this "lanicoya" puts in whatever she wants and ignores contributors including my articles that are good sources, just because she doesn't want her country to be seen at what it is. She uses this site as if it where her own if you haven't noticed what she doesn't like doesn't get put into this article and that is not right! you shouldn't even allow her to be apart of wikipedia because people like that who think they know it all and live in a fairy tale about i'm from nicaragua and just because i think it's heave that is what i'll put into the article. No that is not what the wikipedia rules state. This site is nothing but hypocrits who say read the wiki rules but neither of you including her follow the rules so why should any of us if not even the so called "volunteers" do. read the articles they are good sources that information needs to be put in there.66.161.18.212 01:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This was a reply to the same comment left at the Help Desk:
 * Woah, slow down there. First off, calm down. Getting angry about things in an editing conflict like this only tends to make things worse. From what I can see, it looks like LaNicoya is trying to work with you. She is trying to help, but some of the information you're adding isn't suitable for Wikipedia or isn't written in a neutral manner. She's trying to work with you to incorporate the information you want to add in a manner that is acceptable to our guidelines. Please try to remember to assume good faith on the part of others, and if that doesn't work, take a step back for a while to give things a chance to calm down so they don't get out of hand. Ok? :-) Hers fold  (t/a/c) 01:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

This was another reply to the same comment left at the Help Desk: Looks like you were adding biased information. LaNicoya was correcting in reverting you; please see Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Additionally, the sources you were using are insufficient; please read our reliable sources policy. Finally, personal attacks are not allowed here; it would be appreciated if you would be a little more civil. Thanks. GlassCobra 01:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Nicaraguan Imigrants
In th Nicaragua imigration section why isn't there any true intformation on there? There is well over half a million of Nicaraguans that live in costa rica and around 50,000 that live in El Salvador. All because these two countries have jobs something that Nicaragua doesn't have. plus many leave the extreme poverty in Nicaragua. Here is some articles that information needs to be on there any costa rican, salvadoran or central american person that comes across this article will ofcourse imediately know that it is very untrue.

http://www.facesofcostarica.com/economics/gonzalez.htm

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15218365

http://mondediplo.com/2007/01/12nicaragua

http://www.boston.com/news/world/latinamerica/articles/2007/12/03/nicaraguans_find_usa_in_booming_costa_rica/Isaiah&#39;s Mom (talk) 18:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Garbage on the top page
There are errors in the code of the information panel on the right of the top article that produces a lot of garbage. I would like to fix it but I don't know how. Could someone who knows how please fix that, and then feel free to delete this message as well. Mal7798 (talk) 16:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing it to the talk page, i have fixed the problem. -- LaNicoya  •Talk•   22:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Humid AND arid?
The climate section says:

"The months of December and January are chilly, whereas March and April are humid and somewhat arid."

Could somebody with proper knowledge please correct this? --87.187.218.11 (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Political prisoner?
"Also on the crater lip of Tiscapa is the Las Masmorras, a prison in which Somoza tortured current President Daniel Ortega and many other political prisoners, however, this site is closed to the public."

According to Ortega's article, he was imprisoned for robbing a bank. How does that make him a "political prisoner"? Also, any source that he was tortured? Josh (talk) 01:37, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Population?
The office of the mayor of Managua tacks the population of the city to be 1,850,000. Adding this to the article to replace the 1,680,100 figure.

The "managua" vs. "managüenses".
There has been ample conversation, in fact a very elaborate and extensive explanation on the origin of the word, along with how to modify or alter the individuals from a particular place. In this instance the inhabitants of the city of Managua, in Nicaragua. Many editors have switched the demonym from the correct version of the "managüenses" to the "managuas." The latter is no more than the plural of the inhabitants. By this logic, people from Nicaragua are NOT nicaraguans, but "nicaraguas". Similarly, people from León, Granada and the like, one just adds a "s" to denote their inhabitants. Nothing is ever so simple. The arguments of the "managuas" also fall flat, primarily because the náhuatl root is the same for the Guegüense and Nicaragua. Thus, we must disagree with the "managuas" and the simple plural of its inhabitants. Furthermore, the many inhabitants consider themselves to be "managüenses." It appears that rather than editing or dealing with forever debating, the political class will have to be involved to make the decree official. It is the hope it is our position. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tu Escritor (talk • contribs) 00:17, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

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