Talk:Manzanar

This is not of FA quality
This article received its FA rating back in 2007, at a time when the standards at FAC were considerably more relaxed than they have since become. Looking through this article, it is apparent that it does not meet present FA standards; indeed, it may even struggle to reach GA status. There are various sentences throughout the article that are simply unreferenced; the formatting of the citations that are used are haphazard; various sections, such as "Township", are badly organised and full of stand alone sentences; and there is an over-reliance on free web sources as opposed to more expert, print sources. I appreciate that a lot of time and effort probably went into getting this to FA status back in the noughties, but it is now time that we send this along to featured article review. Midnightblueowl (talk) 18:53, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Feature article review
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Content removed
The content below from the indicated sections was removed for various reasons, usually because of lack of citation. Please discuss these items in their sections below. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 22:52, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

In popular culture
The following content was removed because the mention was incidental or limited (such as to a single episode of a TV series, or a single scene in a film). These should be incorporated into the subject articles. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 01:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In the 1984 movie The Karate Kid, Daniel reads the letter which informed Mr. Miyagi of the death of his wife and son during child birth on November 2, 1944, while in the Manzanar Relocation Camp. Mr. Miyagi was fighting for the US against the Germans in Europe when he received the news.
 * A 2007 episode of the CBS television crime drama Cold Case, titled "Family 8108", dealt with the 1945 murder of a Japanese American man in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania after he and his family were released from Manzanar. The episode originally aired on December 9, 2007.
 * Episode 253 of 99% Invisible, which aired March 2017, focused on Manzanar.

Owens Valley Paiute
This paragraph was removed because the references used are not verifiable (except for the one verifying the size of the lake):
 * "The Army didn't take them on a direct route, either, said Owens Valley Paiute elder Irene Button. "They were forced to walk all the way around the eastern shore of Owens Lake (covers an area of approximately 108 sqmi). They wanted to make sure that as many as possible would die before they reached Fort Tejon."
 * I may have found a book that talks about this. We'll see when I access it. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 21:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Closure
These sentences were removed from the third paragraph (following "...慰霊塔 ("Soul Consoling Tower")."):
 * The monument is often draped in strings of origami, and sometimes survivors and other visitors leave offerings of personal items as mementos. The National Park Service periodically collects and catalogues such items.

National Historic Landmark and National Historic Site
The following sentence was removed as sources have proven difficult to locate. (It was prior to "The Manzanar National Historic Site also unveiled its virtual museum..."):
 * In late 2008, historically appropriate vegetation was planted near the Visitor Center.

References removed
Removed because they are apparently not reliable. Please feel free to comment on why or why not they are reliable. The name of the ref is in quotes, with the citation below that. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 21:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "AikoWords":
 * "DenshoTerminology":
 * "Reflectionsiii–iv"
 * "SKE-ManzanarCommittee"
 * "McCarthy-Human Quest"
 * "Ito-MotherJones"
 * "SKE-ManzanarCommittee"
 * "McCarthy-Human Quest"
 * "Ito-MotherJones"
 * "Ito-MotherJones"
 * "Ito-MotherJones"

Wartime-related resources
Buidhe, please specifically mark which ones you think should be kept as further reading and which should be used as references (if possible). Please give reasoning, if you can. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 05:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, contains no information that isn't in the next book. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Change to the 1944 edition, which is free full text, and link that. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Children's book, remove. buidh<b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove. I don't see how this is adding anything to the article. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Marginally reliable popular history book, may be worth keeping. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, seems to be related to a different camp. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, relevant but not useful as a reference. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed both Huffpost articles as it's a marginally reliable source. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a video documentary. Move to external links. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, seems to be about internment in general with little on Manzanar. I've added it to Japanese American internment. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed as irrelevant since it has almost no information on the camp. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Should either be cited or deleted, depending on how much detail it has on Manzanar specifically. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, relevant but not useful as a reference. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed both Huffpost articles as it's a marginally reliable source. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a video documentary. Move to external links. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, seems to be about internment in general with little on Manzanar. I've added it to Japanese American internment. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed as irrelevant since it has almost no information on the camp. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Should either be cited or deleted, depending on how much detail it has on Manzanar specifically. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a video documentary. Move to external links. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, seems to be about internment in general with little on Manzanar. I've added it to Japanese American internment. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed as irrelevant since it has almost no information on the camp. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Should either be cited or deleted, depending on how much detail it has on Manzanar specifically. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed as irrelevant since it has almost no information on the camp. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Should either be cited or deleted, depending on how much detail it has on Manzanar specifically. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Should either be cited or deleted, depending on how much detail it has on Manzanar specifically. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Should either be cited or deleted, depending on how much detail it has on Manzanar specifically. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure how to deal with memoirs, they are probably not WP:RS for our purposes here, and my inclination would be just copy them to the wikiarticles of their authors. If the author/book isn't notable, it probably isn't worth keeping. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I've trimmed the list per this discussion. Down to four now. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 03:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Post-War-related resources
Buidhe, please specifically mark which ones you think should be kept as further reading, which should be used as references (if possible), and which should be axed. Please give reasoning, if you can. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 05:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, not sufficiently related to the topic. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove/move to Embrey's article. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think this one is sufficiently related to be here, too. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 16:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, this is about restitution for internment not Manzanar. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, irrelevant. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, this is about internment in general, not Manzanar specifically. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, this is about restitution for internment not Manzanar. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, irrelevant. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, unrelated to Manzanar. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, questionable reliability. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's from a long-running newspaper in Los Angeles. I'm not seeing the "questionable reliability" issue. I think this one should be kept, too. I've removed all of them but the two I mentioned here. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 16:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, this is about restitution for internment not Manzanar. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, irrelevant. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, unrelated to Manzanar. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, questionable reliability. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's from a long-running newspaper in Los Angeles. I'm not seeing the "questionable reliability" issue. I think this one should be kept, too. I've removed all of them but the two I mentioned here. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 16:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove, questionable reliability. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's from a long-running newspaper in Los Angeles. I'm not seeing the "questionable reliability" issue. I think this one should be kept, too. I've removed all of them but the two I mentioned here. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 16:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's from a long-running newspaper in Los Angeles. I'm not seeing the "questionable reliability" issue. I think this one should be kept, too. I've removed all of them but the two I mentioned here. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 16:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Muslim pilgrimages
The article states: "Since the September 11 attacks, American Muslims have participated in the Pilgrimage to promote and increase awareness of civil rights protections in the wake of widespread suspicions harbored against them post-9/11." Is this still happening? Does anyone have articles more recent than 2008? ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 04:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm finding sources for 2017 and 2019. Seems it's still a thing. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Awesome. I've added the LA Times article and added a sentence. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 20:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Additional resources for references
Buidhe provided this list of possible sources for use in improving the article: Feel free to use any or all of them. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 05:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
 * Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).

Cow Creek annex
The latest USNPS map of internment facilities includes a pointer to Cow Creek in Death Valley as a sort of intermediate/temporary jail short of sending people to Tule Lake. This is next to NPS employee housing and the DV Nat. Hist. Assoc.. 24.121.145.212 (talk) 23:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)