Talk:March for Israel

Attendees
How was the number of attendees determined? How do we know that 200k is not an exxageration? Know Thyself 00:30, 15 November 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Butch3r (talk • contribs)
 * Same way we know anything here: we use trusted third-party citations. As more reports come through, let's add them to the page. I think the language should explain that organizers estimated 290,000; the estimate ahead of time was 60,000; the day-of estimate was 200,000. As with any other page, this entry is not a place for original research. --FeldBum (talk) 17:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Most indpendant reports of the attendance count have put it at significantly less. The LA times estimated it was 160,000 people. Rebecca Santana and Michael Balsamo from AP put the count at “tens of thousands”. Joel Rose from NPR estimated “tens of thousands” as well. Someone with editing ability should add the range of estimates in the info box and article and make it clear that they are estimates which is how they did it on the National March on Washington: Free Palestine article. 99.155.38.18 (talk) 21:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

ICC microgrants?
Are the 250 dollar microgrants offered by the Israel on Campus Coalition to attend the march worth mentioning in the article? I noticed the exaggerated version claiming "all attendees were paid 250 dollars to attend" was deleted from the page, as it should have been. But grants were being given to cover travel expenses, and this is getting criticism in press. https://www.dailydot.com/debug/pro-israel-rally-microgrants-icc/ 2001:8003:266C:CA00:85B5:DB29:B40:47A0 (talk) 05:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It is absolutely relevant, and including the allegedly high (and all evidence suggests massively inflated) attendance quoted by the organizers themselves, without even mentioning this detail to at the very least contextualize the claims, is intentionally misleading, irresponsible, and unethical. Abaroody (talk) 13:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Brazen POV
This page is in a woefully POV state - to the extent that it's practically WP:PROMO for the POV it presents. The deletion of WP:RS sources reflecting criticism of the event, e.g. here (with a ridiculous summary, explanation please @Loksmythe), and removal of any criticism from the lead, is frankly ridiculous POV. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There's also no criticism in the leads of articles for various 9/11 memorial events, civil rights rallies, or really most such demonstrations. This is typical, and the correct way for such an article to be. --Yair rand (talk) 23:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Most events aren't attended by John Hagee: Notorious Anti-Gay Pastor John Hagee Who Said God ‘Sent Hitler To Help Jews Reach the Promised Land’ Speaks at Pro-Israel Rally Iskandar323 (talk) 09:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For one thing, the "hate rally" epithet is a violation of WP:HEADLINES and thus not a RS. Longhornsg (talk) 00:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That part is not stated in Wikivoice but attributed to The Nation. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

More WP:BATTLEGROUND, WP:POV, WP:TENDENTIOUS editing from Iskandar323. The pattern is noted. \\ Loksmythe // (talk) 16:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There are definitely a lot of sources critical (or noting criticism) of John Hagee's attendance, so this should be mentioned. I think there's a lot of fluff in that section though. Endwise (talk) 12:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I added some more stuff, and focused it more on Hagee. Given how widespread the criticism was, I think criticism from major orgs like CAIR is more noteworthy than op-eds in The Nation for example. Endwise (talk) 12:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Loksmythe: Adhere to WP:NPA and desist from aspersion, please. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:03, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

The Hagee subsection has been added. Does that satisfy your critiques for which you added the NPOV template? -- Veggies (talk) 17:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, the NPOV concerns have been adequately addressed now. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Discrepancies in presentation of attendee numbers
I noticed in the National March on Washington article, the participants number includes "(estimated)" beside it. The same should be done here, no? In both cases the only source for the attendees are the estimations of the organizations involved in the planning process. I can't edit it myself, so I'm hoping someone else would be willing to do so. 147.9.2.204 (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 December 2023
The participant number for this event is incorrect. The more accurate number of in-person people is 29,000. 2601:5C0:8201:B480:482B:5B44:930F:62BF (talk) 00:11, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 00:41, 11 December 2023 (UTC)