Talk:Marching percussion

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I started this article to explain the instruments themselves. However, I can easily see this article being expanded to talk about techniques and how marching percussion relates to inclusive activities. (i.e., drum corps, marching bands, WGI drumlines, PASIC drumlines, NBA drumlines, etc.)

Please feel free to add any content you think is relevant!

Lazytiger 19:44, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

To the page moderator or anyone reading this
This page (or a new one liked to this one) needs a history of the development of the modern harness. From sling, to whatever came next, to hadley harnesses, and XL harnesses, and then to Randall May, and all the different changes we have seen in his creations. Please hook it up!!! (cuz that's about all i know) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.111.215 (talk) 23:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an instructional guide
As I read this article I keep seeing suggestions and instructions on how to better perform in a marching percussion ensemble. I think somebody needs to clean this article up, because it looks more like an instructional guide for a beginning marching drummer rather than an article simply explaining what marching percussion is, how it differs from other forms of percussion, where it originated, and how it has developed since. 66.27.19.166 (talk) 00:24, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Be on the lookout for edits by Pbdrum, linking articles to his lesson page. Rosedaddy (talk) 18:23, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree - I believe this page should focus more on the instruments and the history and development of those instruments. In addition to comments on technique, I feel there's a lot of procedure here on how things are done. It's a bit too detailed for an encyclopedic article. The edits I'm going to attempt are going to be kind of quick-and-dirty. Bdleaf (talk) 20:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * --and, also, limited to just the snare section to reflect what I believe will probably be more manageable in terms of eventually improving the quality of the article. Bdleaf (talk) 20:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Question on "Degrees of ability"
First para of this article ends, "Most degrees of ability come from a Drumline not only to play well, but to play well fast and at a low height." What does this mangled sentence mean? I take it be trying to say, "The most difficult aspect of drumline performing is playing fast, well, and pianissimo." Is that a good change please? JacquesDelaguerre (talk) 04:12, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge Drumline into this?
Personally, I think there is (or could be) plenty of duplicate info between Drumline and this article. It seems to me that we could put a sentence in this article reading something like, "A musical ensemble consisting solely of marching percussion is called a drumline." Then that article could be reappropriated for the movie.

This article is also very modern drum corps centric. I feel that information should be added about things like marching timpani, pipe drums, and single tenors (used by traditional marching bands and pipe bands). If I get the chance to do some research, I'll write them myself.

– flamuraiTM 02:19, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that there is a Drumline article. Yes, it would make sense if they were combined. One should be a redirect to the other. Of course, I'm biased and think that this should be the article and Drumline should be the redirect. ;) Marching Percussion sounds encyclopedic; Drumline is more of a lingo thing (and is it one word or two?).   Anyway, I just wanted to get some basic info out there about marching percussion.  I don't have any particular end in mind, so your suggestions are welcome additions.

Lazytiger 13:52, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

We've discussed merging this article with the Drumline article, but it's never happened. Do we want to do it or not? I think we ought to turn Drumline into a redirect to here and then expand the article so that it's more than just about the instruments. I created the article, but it seems clear to me now that there's much more that can and should be discussed about marching percussion. After all, it's not a marching percussion instruments article.

I would do it myself, but I'm not sure I know the truly proper way of combining articles in Wikipedia. It seems like something strange has happened already. What's with the "This article or section should include material from ." message at the top?

Lazytiger 20:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

marching band review
I requested a peer review on the Marching band article. I figure everybody watching this page is probably watching that one, but if you can help, it's much appreciated. Thanks. Fsiler 09:07, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Revert war in cymbal section
The list of DCI cymbal lines that keeps getting deleted and added back needs to stop. The list does not belong here. First, this is not a DCI marching percussion article, and having a list covering DCI corps amounts to special treatment. (There are other issues with the article as well that focus on DCI perhaps more than they should.) Second, the list is poorly written with glaring typos and bad formatting. Whoever keeps adding it back obviously just likes stirring up crap rather than really contributing to the article. Third, no other section has such a list of what certain groups have or use, therefore defying what should be a goal of every article&mdash;striving for an evenness of informational depth. Fourth, as has been stated before, the list amounts to advertising for Zildijan and Sabian. This is unacceptable for a Wikipedia article.&mdash;Lazytiger 13:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

you have some problems...
 * You're going to have to come up with a better justification than that.&mdash;Lazytiger 02:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Dude, you have to be the first person i have ever met that has gotten this bent out of shape over something. you marched blue stars... you know what dci and drum corps is... didnt the blue stars ever teach you to relax, or did you practice on all free days like a loon?


 * It seems to me that you're getting equally "bent out of shape" over this issue, otherwise you would let the list go. I have justified my reasoning for removing the list above; you have not justified keeping it at all, instead resorting to irrelevant personal attacks.&mdash;Lazytiger 12:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I support Lazytiger's opinion on this issue. His reasons are perfectly valid and I would like to ask you to please stop inserting the disputed section. Please also refrain from personally attacking other users. Mr Bound 14:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

you guys are funny!


 * one thing everyone is overlooking is that the picture at the top is of an XL snare carrier. so saying the words zildjian and sabian are advertising but putting a picture of a product up isnt? please...
 * The fact that it advertises for Zildjian and Sabian is not what really bothers me. What bothers me most is that it has typos and bad formatting and no one who keeps adding back has any interest in fixing it.  This has become a purely childish, spiteful revert war.  If someone (not me, I don't want the list at all) bothered to fix it up to look nice, I wouldn't keep deleting it.  However, I'd also like someone to justify why the list is needed at all.  No other section has (or needs) one.  I've asked for justification repeatedly and gotten nothing but childishness in response.&mdash;Lazytiger 21:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, when I added the picture of the XL harness at the top, I envisioned having pictures of people playing each instrument for each section. That has never materialized, and I do feel that the picture at the top in its current context is tacky.  Feel free to delete it if it bothers you.  Or even better, add some appropriate pictures.&mdash;Lazytiger 21:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I should be working on getting appropriate pictures for this article. Mr Bound 04:04, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I have found some pictures I'd like to use; I'm waiting on permission from the sources. I specifically picked neutral pictures&mdash;no corps are identifiable from the photos, as they are not in uniform (although shirts would have been nice, but those pictures are hard to come by!).&mdash;Lazytiger 04:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Front Ensemble
By both the discussions that have taken place both here and at the drumline article, as well as the defition provided in this article regarding what it intends to address ("Marching percussion instruments are specially designed to be played while moving...") it seems that the Front Ensemble section does not belong in this article. I'm changing it to a section on mallet percussion that briefly mentions (and links) the front ensemble instead of the other way around. --Littledrummrboy 17:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Bass drum
I think the bulk of this section should be merged into the Bass_drum section. If no one objects I may work on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bikinibomb (talk • contribs) 01:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Worldvide view?
This article seems to exclusively deal with American traditions - a more international take on the subject is preferable, which of course would ideally include both European and other (non-Western) traditions as well. Considering that, it may make sense to keep the drumline article, since that idea mainly is an American tradition (very rare in Europe, and when it exists it is seen as more of a novelty.) Also, the article is quite bulky, it may need some wikification. What do you others think about this? 85.229.103.178 (talk) 07:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Photos
I don't, but if someone reading this has access to some of these instruments and could snap a few photos, I think it would really help this article. Originalname37  (Talk?)  18:18, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Updated – Merge Drumline into this?
The last discussion was over a decade and a half ago. These two articles are just too similar in my opinion. They both go over the same instruments, one being slightly focused on musical roles (drumline) and the other on the actual instrument (marching percussion). I think these two articles (and possibly Front ensemble) could be combined. If not then the drumline should depart from simply listing instruments to discussing the actual development of the ensemble. What do you guys think? Why? I Ask (talk) 15:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Add info links for discussion. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 10:28, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Add info links for discussion. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 10:28, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Add info links for discussion. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 10:28, 12 September 2020 (UTC)