Talk:Marie Thérèse Coincoin

Name of article
since knowledgeable historians have said that it is inappropriate to call this woman by the name "Marie Therese Metoyer", perhaps the article should be renamed or moved to Marie Therese Coincoin. --Parkwells (talk) 20:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This seems complicated since she used many different variations of name and she was not born as Marie Therese Coincoin - the majority of the citations used have named her as Marie Thérèse Metoyer. Does anyone have any RS sources that state any name inappropriateness? If so add them to this discussion please. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 11:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I stand corrected - I started reviewing citations more and adding new citations and most were in the name Marie Thérèse Coincoin. I support moving this article to that name. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 13:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Moved to Marie Thérèse Coincoin, match the name note, Infobox, the external reference content, and the vast majority of references.

Melrose Plantation
I added the Mills' cite to material on Louis Metoyer, land grant and Melrose, since her article is being published in a book published by a university press.--Parkwells (talk) 20:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Death date for Coincoin
She was in the US 1820 census at Cedar Bend, per Kevin McDonald's article in "A Future of Archaeology".--Parkwells (talk) 23:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Parkwells, can or would you identify the page and line number of the census on which she is said to appear? I have read that census hundreds of times and do not find her there. Moreover, when her son Pierre Metoyer drew up his contract of marriage with Marie Henriette on 3 December 1817 ("Book 2 & 3, Marriage & Misc., 1816-1819," folio 122; Office of the Clerk of Court, Natchitoches), he identified himself as "natural son of deceased Marie Therese dite Coincoin."Eshown (talk) 04:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Parkwells, to update this discussion:


 * The one "Coincoin" entry which does appear on the 1820 census is not at Cedar Bend. It appears in the community that stretched between Cedar Bluff and Grappe's Bluff. Perhaps the published reference to Cedar Bend was an editorial gremlin. The 1820 community centers upon Township 10 North, Range 7 West, northeast of the town of Natchitoches. Marie Thérèse's homestead lay south of Natchitoches in T8N R6W.


 * That one Coincoin entry is for the household of her first-born son, Nicolas aka "Chiquito," a son not known to the authors of "A Future of Archaeology." Nicolas was sold away from her at the age of seven to the borderlands contradbandist Antonio Gil y Barbo. Nicolas remained with the Spanish until he was nearly 30, at which time he was purchased by his half-brother, Augustin Metoyer, who stated that he was acting on behalf of his mother. Nicolas did not settle with his Metoyer siblings on Isle Brevelle. Although a claim was entered for land there in his name, he transferred the tract to Augustin after the title cleared. Instead, he settled amid the Spanish families from Nacogdoches who migrated over to the Grappe's Bluff/Cedar Bluff area after the Louisiana Purchase. (Nicolas is discussed in bits and pieces in several of the Mills publications listed under "References"—particularly "Slaves and Masters" (1982) and "Marie Thérèse Coincoin (1742–1816)" (forthcoming at U of Georgia Press). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.149.123 (talk) 18:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I deleted the reference and cite from the article.--Parkwells (talk) 20:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, but the cite for the article should remain under "References" because the article otherwise is a valuable contribution to the scholarship on the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eshown (talk • contribs) 18:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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Where was she born?
This online article, https://listverse.com/2017/06/06/top-10-black-slaveowners/, seems to be about the same woman, but it says she was born in Africa. 79.134.37.73 (talk) 06:24, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This does not look like a reliable source WP:RS. This source explains the rumors of different places of origin for Marie Thérèse Coincoin. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2021 (UTC)