Talk:Marvel Comics/Archive 1

"Marvel Comics" vs. "Marvel Comics universe"
One of the two terms above is used in most entries for Marvel Comics characters, which generally say either "so-and-so is a fictional Marvel Comics superhero" or "so-and-so is a fictional superhero in the Marvel Comics universe" (as it says, for instance, in entry for Ego, The Living Planet]

The two terms each link to separate Wikipedia entries. They mean different things -- one entry is about a comic-book company, the other about an internally consistent fictional setting, ala Tolkein's Middle-earth -- yet they are used interchangeably.

For consistency and clarity, it might be good to establish some sort of standard language for these Marvel Comics entries. -Tenebrae, Sept. 6, 2005, 8:32PM ET

Should there be a "Categories: Marvel Comics characters"? The numerous "Avengers members", "Defenders members", etc., etc. categories could then be properly-nested subcategories of it. -- Metahacker 23:07, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Why should an article on this company appear in an encyclopedia? This seems to be advertising disguised as education. Hmmm.

Probably because it is also a cultural icon. Would you rather have a gap in the encyclopedia? -- Metahacker 18:47, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

i agree with the afor proposal of making the character list easier to navigate. as to the comment of the entire article not beloning here: if it where an advertisement then why would DC be here as well? Marvel and DC where major players in american Culture duing the golden and silver ages of comics, there for they have a rightfull place in an online encyclopedia that for all intents and pourpouses....includes any thing and everthing that exists in the known universe ---Iorek Brynson 9:59 AM, May 17, 2005


 * In the many months since this discussion in May 2005, I've noticed, in articles other than mine (and a form I've been emulating), a semi-consistent convention in the lead sentencce of Marvel-character entries: "So-and-so is a fictional superhero (or Western hero, etc.) in the Marvel Comics universe". This seems to cover all the bases. Thoughts? — Tenebrae 00:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the format I've been using. Dr Archeville 20:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Question regarding EIC list
Credits in color titles published in 1975-76 list Marv Wolfman as EIC of the color line, and I'm pretty sure that Wein stepped down in 1975 and Wolfman took over, per an announcement in the Bulletins page in the comics. Why does the EIC list here show something else?

N. Caligon 01:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Not sure on that one but here's another - just how long was Conway EiC for? I was always under the impression he held the job for less than two weeks in 1976 (it seems several were almost forced into the chair) but this list implies he was there for longer. Timrollpickering 8 July 2005 15:41 (UTC)


 * The Bullpen Bulleteins page in Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #1, cover dated December 1976 (so I'd guess on sale August) has a list of editorial staff with Archie Goodwin listed as "Editor" and Conway, along with Thomas, Wein and Wolfman listed as "Consultant Editors" or similar. Given this and the stories that Conway was in the job very briefly I'm going to change his date to 1976. Timrollpickering 13:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Atlas/Seaboard
RE: "Goodman created a new company called Atlas Comics, but the effort didn't last a year." This company, actually called Atlas/Seaboard, is completely unrelated to Marvel Comics; Goodman was no longer with Marvel, and was free to create any new company he wished. See Atlas/Seaboard Comics -- Tenebrae 11:43 AM, Aug. 10, 2005
 * I know. I wrote that line. Your point is...? --Pc13 16:29, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The way it had been written made it seem as if this new Atlas was somehow part of Marvel. Just a language thing, not a fact thing. No biggie. --Tenebrae 3:52 PM, Aug. 30, 2005

"Notable" Timely heroes
The list of other "notable" Timely heroes ran the risk of becoming an ever-increasing list. I've removed The Fin, Black Marvel and Red Raven. According to Jess Nevins's Timely Heroes site, they were actually pretty minor. Red Raven appeared in one story during the Golden Age, The Fin in three and Black Marvel in six. --Pc13 16:01, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

--- --- --- I am Eric Roy. This is an encyclopedia. Stop removing info. Eric Roy remaining polite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.202.0.195 (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Felicia (pseudonym)
Hi, My having failed to persuade anyone that Felicia (pseudonym) isn't non-notable, it seems to me that 'she' therefore deserves at least a mention on this page. And potentially, to be merged to this page? Yes? No? Regards, Ben Aveling 01:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * With all due respect to the well-sourced amount of work and time you clearly put it, my opinion as one voice in the debate is that Felicia just seems like an anonymous press source, the kind reporters frquently (if not always responsibly) use. Just doesn't seem like "Deep Throat" significance, or that the source's actions had much, if any impact. -- Tenebrae 00:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it should be merged with the article, both due to the sizes of said articles, as well as the different purposes they serve. Sure, it can be mentioned in a section with a pointer back to the main article, but merging would be pointless.--Mitsukai 16:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The question isn't the size of both articles, it's whether "Felicia" deserves an article at all. The so-called source wasn't even used for journalistic purposes. "Felicia" was an informant to Rich Johnston, a self-styled rumor monger who always avoided the journalist tag (both for ethical and professional reasons - it would force him to check his sources, instead of just blogging, and it would forbid him to work in advertising, his main source of income). I agree "Felicia"'s impact in the industry in Marvel business practices were minimal, and that it's importance is severely overrated. At best, this deserves a one-sentence mention in the 2000s section. At worst, this is fancruft. --Pc13 16:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Tenebrae and Pc13. Anthopos 21:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I would oppose the mergist proposion on the same logic as Mitsukai. --LukeSurl 19:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Ditto. She deserves her own article. Nightscream 06:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if we can't merge it here, I propose a second nomination for WP:AfD. Felicia is nothing more than a limited piece of trivia. --Pc13 08:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree with Pc13 -- Tenebrae 17:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Felicia doesn't even deserve a mention, much less a merge. CovenantD 23:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Leave as is per Mitsukai. Metamagician3000 09:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I proposed Felicia for WP:AFD. --Pc13 10:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Felicia should be left as is. Its an interesting and well-sourced article.
 * Please sign your comments. And even if one were to accept your anonymous points, they still don't make Felicia of encyclopedic weight or value. Is every industry's unnamed gossip now going to get an encyclopedia section?-- Tenebrae 19:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

With all due respect, in this case, it represents an unusual event in comics history. Namely that the reaction to such a leak went in such a bizzare direction; and that it was given so much attention at the time.-the man with no reason to sighn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.23.59.119 (talk • contribs)


 * This discussion was over a long time ago, and Admins ruled against a Felicia entry. Please stop bringing it up. --Tenebrae 01:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Atlas
Someone very knowledgable has added a great deal of info on Marvel's 1950s iteration, Atlas (though the prose itself needed some cleanup). The level of detail is such that I wonder if it might not work better to synthesize the basics here, and blend the rest into Atlas Comics? Thoughts? -- Tenebrae


 * Agreed. Once its own article, it could do with another expansion, though. --Pc13 10:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I just noticed I had a typo in my original query just above, which messed up the link to the existing Atlas Comics (1950s) site. That caused some confusion, for which I apologize. I've fixed it in my paragraph above. What I meant to suggest was blending the details of the Atlas portion of the Marvel article with the existing 1950s Atlas article. -- Tenebrae 03:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

"The Swarm" Cybercomic
Recently, Marvel Comics and M&M'S Brand have teamed up to create a cybercomic featuring the M&M's Minis characters called "The Swarm". The story's about the Minis accidently creating a freak Spokescandy called "Master M", who traps them in his Twisted Tube and transports them into various environments to annihilate them as revenge for ruining his dreams. For example, the Blue Minis end up in an aquarium, while the Red Minis find themselves in a carnival. Should the article say something about this? - NES Boy 22:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Earth-616
Do we have a list, or is there a list elsewhere, of all the titles in the Earth-616 continuity? I'm interested in finding specifically a list of the X-men titles that fall under Earth-616 but thought that such a list may be good to have here on the Wikipedia. Maybe List of Earth-616 comic titles would be good? Dismas|(talk) 06:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Haven't we been through this before? Such a list would be practically identical to List of Marvel Comics publications, except for three or four exceptions. --Pc13 13:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to have bothered you. I'll remember not to stain this talk page with my presence again.  Dismas|(talk) 22:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Bankruptcy
What type of bankruptcy did Marvel file for? Elijya 18:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Chapter 11. --Pc13 19:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Seduction of the Innocent
some days ago i've added a note about infamous Seduction of the Innocent book and Comic Code (you know ...). Someone has removed since off-topic. IMHO it was topic, 'cause directly related to failure of comic book market in '50s. In fact this article still report "An attempted superhero revival from 1953 to 1954, with the Human Torch, the Sub-Mariner and Captain America, failed." --88.149.169.237 19:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Those comics' failures had absolutely nothing to do with the Comics Code. You can read more about it at Atlas Comics (1950s) and Silver Age of Comic Books, and in such magazines as Alter Ego and Comic Book Artist, not to mention several books on the subject of comics history. --Tenebrae 21:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * i not mean there is direct correlation between closing of Cap.America comicbook and Comic Code, but IMHO it have had (bad) influence in comicbook market in 50s.. in sales and to edulcorate contents.. but ok.. :)

Seduction II, Comic Code and Magazine Management Co.
this article says "In 1968, company founder Martin Goodman sold Marvel Comics and his other publishing businesses to the Perfect Film and Chemical Corporation. It grouped these businesses in a subsidiary called Magazine Management Co. Goodman remained as publisher." BUT i've reading a copy in internet of "Comic Books and Juvenile Deliquency: Interim Report of the Committee on the judiciary," (the infamous 1955 US Congress report related with Comic Code ) that already mention Magazine Management Co. like the owner of 31(!) publisher in the hands of Goodman.

If the internet copy is unaltered, i must suppose that Magazine Management Co. ALREADY grouped Goodman's comics business in 1954-55. (of course he hasn't yet sold to Chemical/Cadence.. only grouped). Someone can confirm?

Another note: the doc mention as address '270 Park Avenue, N.Y'. Since all publisher and distributor are in this address, i can suppose it's only a "legal/commercial" address.. or what? I've noticed because it's not mentioned in bunch of addresses of this article.. Someone confirm/has more detail ? --88.149.169.237 18:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * These are all really good questions. I'm a bit tapped out on energy at the moment, but I will definitely follow-up tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for what sounds like a really interesting lead!-- Tenebrae 20:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Marvel Comics slogan
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the company's name ever "Make Mine Marvel"? 69.230.215.101 03:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Founder
Do you mind that I put the name of Marvel's founder?Brian Boru is awesome 14:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

CC of posting at Steel

 * User:24.60.85.190 again
 * Almost as soon as he returned from the block, User:24.60.85.190 is still adding linkspam, enough so that I've reported a 3RR vio here. I'm afraid I found the directions daunting, and I might have filled out the form incorrectly. Whatever the case, I wanted to let you and the other three editors working on this know about the 3RR request. As I said there, this anon-IP has become obstinate, seems dismissive of Wiki policies, isn't making worthwhile contributions, and only seems interested in advertising his blog. -- Tenebrae 13:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Marvel Universe Infobox
Does anyone this a Marvel Universe Infobox would be appropriate? Kind of like the Star Wars one where it's put at the bottom of each article. It could list all the major super heroes and films and everything. Anybody? PrettyMuchBryce 16:46, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

"Canam Publishers Sales Corp."?
Early issues of the Fantastic Four (and I presume other titles published at the same time) listed "Canam Publishers Sales Corp." as the publisher and copyright holder in the indicia. Was "Marvel" merely the trade name, and "Canam" the actual incorporated entity? Also, "MC" was initially used on the cover, followed by "Marvel Comics Group" as of May, 1963 (while Canam continued to be listed). To what did the "group" refer? This article should explain this, if only in a footnote. Also, it looks like the printing was farmed out to "Eastern Color Printing Co." in Waterbury, Connecticut. Postdlf 22:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Canam was one of 59 shell corporations that publisher Martin Goodman used. See his article and more specifically see Atlas Comics (1950s), paragraph 3, for details. Eastern Color Printing was one of the largest color printing presses in the U.S. at that time, dating to the 1930s. Virtually all East Coast newspaper comics and comic books were printed there for years. --Tenebrae 19:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I figured it was something like that. Is there a place for a complete list somewhere?  It should also probably be mentioned in the different comic title articles what company names ostensibly held the copyrights.  When I googled Canam, the only hits appeared to be library catalog entries for comic books; the catalogers just used the indicia information, so many resources will credit only those shell corporations instead of Marvel for its earliest titles.  I don't have any info except for the FF as to what names were used in the indicia (I highly recommend the GIT Corp 44 Years of the Fantastic Four DVD, btw&mdash;full scans of every comic, cover to cover).  Postdlf 20:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Biasm
"DC was the equivalent of the big Hollywood studios: After the brilliance of DC's reinvention of the superhero ... in the late 1950s and early 1960s, it had run into a creative drought by the decade's end. There was a new audience for comics now, and it wasn't just the little kids that traditionally had read the books. The Marvel of the 1960s was in its own way the counterpart of the French New Wave.... Marvel was pioneering new methods of comics storytelling and characterization, addressing more serious themes, and in the process keeping and attracting readers in their teens and beyond. Moreover, among this new generation of readers were people who wanted to write or draw comics themselves, within the new style that Marvel had pioneered, and push the creative envelope still further."

uhhh, this qoute is a direct attack against a fellow company, much older than Marvel. Its also dumb to put that quote there because Marvel and DC contribute to their own ideas in different views. They have talented writers too. This quote is like Bill Gates quoting how Pcs develop faster than cars. Marvel is actually in my view a defilement of DC. Its like giving superman a Lazer gun and cool goggles, than making him commit genocide and than calling him a hero. Or like reinventing Bugs Bunny into some idiotic high-tech cartoon for kids with big d#$*%cks. Hey Minnie Mouse how about a bikini, a big ass and a figure? I mean I read that and in the following paragraph there is something about Jack Kirby, the king of comics, who contributed equally to DC as to Marvel in char creations? I vie for removal. --209.234.96.194 23:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I understand your POV, but Sanderson's comment is in no way, shape or form bias. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree, the quote is the published comment of a respected comics historian, and as valid an analysis as that of a film historian discussing Hollywood and the New Wave. This properly cited analysis is entirely valid under Wikipedia policy and guidelines; articles on the likes of Van Gogh or art movements, etc., include such analytical perspective by established critics and historians. -- Tenebrae 13:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Early 70's price controls and Marvel
I read somewhere that in the early 1970's when there was a freeze on price and wage increases, Marvel increased the price of their comics. In response to a complaint by the government regarding the price increase, they put extra pages in some of their titles during one month. My memory of this is incomplete; I can't remember exactly, but for example, the Fantastic Four issue had a mini poster on glossy paper. I thought this would be a good addition, or at least for trivia. I would appreciate help with the facts on this.(Tighelander 05:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC))

In-line references
It is nice that this article has lots of references, but to qualify for good article status or better, the references need to be 'in-line', that is, references have to support specific facts, not just the article overall. This is pretty much impossible unless you have these reference works to look at. (The lesson in this is to make in-line references from the beginning; going back later is a pain!) ike9898 20:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You are right, I have no clue where a lot of this information came from, surely if I visited the local library I could back up about everything here up but I don't have the time. The random list at the bottom requires that we trust that previous editors relied on these works to support what they did. --Quirex 15:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Please see under "Article needs proper sourcing" below. Taking your point to its logical conclusion, no set of References can ever back up any article.--Tenebrae 22:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

List of animation, television series and films based on Marvel Comics
Is there any particular reason for there being 3 lists of media based on Marvel Comics? I don't see why animation should get its own article, why not just have one for films and one for movies? I also think TV movies should be listed under films, not television series. -Joltman 13:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Addition of one more link
Hello, I added one link to the external links page, that of the Unofficial Handbook of Marvel Comics. It is the only source that I've found that constantly updates and maintains a database of all the inkers, pencilers, cover artists, and writers on Marvel comics. I have read through the link policy on wikipedia and I believe that this is a relevant contributing source, much as a link to statistical databases are to sports entries. I have also removed one link to a site that has little content and has very few links that work.Folkform 08:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Folkform (talk • contribs) 08:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Editors in Chief
With Joe Q stepping down as EIC for a week in March, for Editor for Day, is it reasonable to break up his long running career as EIC? Although mostly sematics, he is technically unemployed for that week.


 * You sure he's giving up a week of salary, medical benefits, turning in his key card, etc.? Otherwise, I'm not sure he's really "unemployed" for that week. Sounds more like a week's vacation. --Tenebrae 01:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What about co-editors?66.109.248.114


 * Not sure I understand the question. --Tenebrae 15:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Instead of stopping Joe's run as EIC, adding the Editors for a day, adding an asterix or something. 66.109.248.114


 * Isn't this just a marketing gimmick, like "Assistant Editor's Month"? -- Pc13 16:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Article needs proper sourcing
Currently the article is drifting into Original Research and this should be avoided. The topic is quite notable and there are many books about the history of comics and Marvel comics. There is no reason this article should be so poorly sourced. --Quirex 15:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The article has 16 footnotes and at least that many reference sources, including several notable books on the subject. Unless anyone has a serious reply as to why this copious footnoting and bibliography, coupled with the specific cite-request tags currently here, is not enough to remove the top-of-article template, I believe the template has been there long enough. Comments, please. --Tenebrae 22:08, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The discussion has been open for over a week with no comment, so given the aforementioned amount of citations, there appears to be no objection to removing the cite-req template. --Tenebrae 06:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Marvel Graphic Novel
Marvel Graphic Novel was redirected here. Can someone please incorporate the following information (if it is reliable) on the article. Thanks!  Real96  04:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * From 1982 to 1990, Marvel comics published a series of Graphic Novels known as the Marvel Graphic Novel line of trade paperbacks. The first such story, The Death of Captain Marvel by Jim Starlin, was logically referenced as Marvel Graphic Novel #1, with additional stories becoming Marvel Graphic Novel #2, etc.  Marvel numbered stories through 1990 up to number 38, but released some 29 other stories in the same format that are considered unnumbered parts of the series according to the Official Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide.

Intro graf
I believe that saying Marvel can trace its origin not to Timely Comics' Marvel Comics #1 but to a 1936 story is an arguable assertion. The Ka-Zar character introduced in that story is not the same Ka-Zar (Kevin Plunder) in the Marvel universe, so saying Marvel's roots began with that earlier Ka-Zar is an opinion.

If one wants to stretch the definition of roots, one could go back to Martin Goodman's first getting into the publishing business. But that's of questionable usefulness.

The one indisputable fact, on which everyone can agree, is that Marvel Comics #1 was the first publication of Timely Comics which evolved, with the same publisher, to Marvel Comics. --Tenebrae 16:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Martin Goodman began publishing in 1933 and throughout used a variety of company names for both his comics and magazines. Names such as Timely, Marvel, and Atlas are largely used for convenience prior to the early 1960s official adoption of Marvel as the company name.


 * The company traces its origins to 1933 for the obvious reason that that's when Goodman began publishing. This is significant too because while you may want to phrase it differently, Ka-Zar is Marvel's oldest copyrighted character/title.  And this character preceded Marvel Comics #1 and in turn was featured in those early issues.  (The Wiki link to Ka-Zar explains the differences in the characters.)  The 1936 character is indexed in the All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe #6 (2006). Nyutko 17:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You make a good case (and having written the bulk of the Timely and Atlas entries, I know a good case about Marvel when I hear it!). I'm thinking this information would be well-placed as the lead of the first section, "Publication history", since it's a background historical point.


 * I guess, too, it'd be good to know, even if in a footnote, the exact relationship of the first Ka-Zar to Marvel. The Ka-Zar Wiki entry is less than helpful since it only says, "In the 2000s, the David Rand Ka-Zar was integrated into mainstream Marvel continuity, in the All New Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe" -- without saying exactly what that "integration" was. Thought? --Tenebrae 17:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell that integration only consists of the one page handbook entry for the 1936 character, but it does mention a 1941 meeting with other superhuman champions. Was the character used by Roy Thomas in the Invaders?  I don't know.  It's unclear where this 1941 meeting happened.


 * While I believe this Ka-Zar bit should be featured prominently on the Marvel page, it frankly seems like any elaboration regarding differences in characters belongs on the Ka-Zar page. Characters evolve all the time.  Look at the Blue Beetle as a good example.  His origins can be traced to 1939, but it's a starkly different character from today's Blue Beetle.  Ka-Zar's differences superficially look less striking.  He was then and is now a blonde haired Tarzan-like jungle character.Nyutko 18:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It's probably a viable compromise to include your material as you had it and to place it as the lead sentence of the "Publication history" graf, though perhaps without the confounding Ka-Zar mention and going with Goodman's publishing company. While I believe it's a stretch, compromise and consensus is the basis of Wikipedia. Other editors can take it from there. What do you think? --Tenebrae 19:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll pop it back in place and you can edit it as you see fit. I'm inclined to think some mention should be made of Ka-Zar though, both because it's their oldest character and because it establishes a continuity between Goodman's pulp fiction and his comics publishing.Nyutko 20:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I think the connection is tenuous at best, but like I said, compromise is the Wiki way.--Tenebrae 20:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Footnote 11
The following text added to this footnote doesn't appear to make sense. What's it referring to? What exactly does that report say that contradicts the citation? Please explain.
 * Should be noted that this source may be wrong. See '"Comic Books and Juvenile Deliquency: Interim Report of the Committee on the judiciary" 84th Congress report, 1st Session (1954)'.

--Tenebrae 03:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thundercats Comic Question - name the extra story? Danweb.uk 21:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I am a new poster and have been inspired to get people involved one this one. I apologise beforehand if I make some error in my posting, feel free to flame me or not!

Back in the 80s I used to get the Marvel Thundercats Comic, it was probably fortnightly.

My question is...

What was the additional story that was in the Thundercats Comic for some time. All I can remember was that it was about 4 children (all related brother & sisters). That had some special powers. One could alter his density, and I cannot really remember much else. Other than that one might have been called Jack.

I believe it was also out before the Thundercats comics, and was a bit of a re-run to fill the comic.

Does anyone else remember it? Specifically the name of it?

Fingers crossed!

Dan

you are talking about Power Pack.

offices?
Offices Located in New York City, Marvel has been successively headquartered in the McGraw-Hill Building (where it originated as Timely Comics in 1939); in suite 1401 of the Empire State Building; at 635 Madison Avenue (the actual location, though the comic books' indicia listed the parent publishing-company's address of 625 Madison Ave.); 575 Madison Avenue; 387 Park Avenue South; 10 East 40th Street; and 417 Fifth Avenue.

first it says its in the mcgraw-hill biulding the in a suite in the empire state biulding which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.174.229.135 (talk) 15:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

MC2?
Is MC2 a imprint or in Defunct? The only ongoing title is Spider-Girl and mini-series Avengers Next ? 68.148.177.120 12:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Marvel Comics group
There is now a proposed project or project subgroup relating explicitly to Marvel Comics at WikiProject Council/Proposals. Any editors interesting in working with this group should indicate their interest there. Thank you. John Carter 17:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited
Newsarama are tracking newspaper reports which should offer more sources as they appear - it'll probably be a bit of a news event for a while so if anyone spots anything you can throw it in here. Although I doubt it will need its own article it might be worth its own section eventually. (Emperor 03:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC))


 * I see from your discussion on the comics wikiproject page that you were thinking about this too, and you're aware of Frecklefoot's article at Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited. I started a discussion on the talk page there on what actually belongs in the article and whether or not it should be merged into the Marvel Comics page. I look forward to any further discussion there. joshschr (talk) 22:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

On a related note, is the mention of a Bittorrent tracker removing Marvel comics from its torrent list really notable?

Torrent C&D Noteability
In response to the above unsigned comment on the subject.

I don't know if the Z-Cult is notable or not as I've never really been clear on the Wikipedia notability requirements. If I recall it did have an entry in Wikipedia, which seems to have been removed (well I can't find it). So in and of itself it probably isn't notable enough.

But the combined efforts of DC/Marvel to "Cease & Desist" a number of p2p comic sites at the time (not just Z-Cult) before the launch of Marvel's digital service certainly is worth note somewhere in this article (rumors are DC has a digital comic service in the works as well).

While the paragraph does a good job of summarizing it's source it is not a great summary of the overall situation. Unfortunately, I 'm a poor choice to make any edits to that section as I would likely be considered in conflict for that particular section (if I recall Wiki guidelines correctly).

Iamme-meiam (talk) 21:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Marvel Movie Universe
Considering Robert Downey Jr's upcoming cameo in Incredible Hulk, and the fact that Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America and The Avengers have been announced, it would appear that the movies done by "Marvel Studios" will be interconnected, as if it was a live version of the Ultimate Universe (or the 616). So it would probably make a good article here linking all the movies and such.

SteveJRogers (talk) 23:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

More Marvel Movie
Someone needs to add the fact that Marvel raised $500 million in bonds to make its own movies, of which Iron Man and the Hulk are the first of many projects. And from their huge grosses, this is certain to be Marvel's main source of income for the forseeable future (as long as they don't make a clunker that uses up all their money).

This is about Marvel Comics, for that see Marvel Studios. Rau's Speak Page 17:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Soleil Productions ?
Is Soleil Productions a impart or reprint?--Brown Shoes22 (talk) 23:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb (talk) 17:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Done - there are citation requests outstanding on the page (and it looks like other statements need sourcing). I'll flag other things in the next day or so but it should be easily fixable and the article look solid enough to be taken further. (Emperor (talk) 00:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC))

Image copyright problem with Image:Howard The Duck -8.jpg
The image Image:Howard The Duck -8.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check


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Flood of templates
Are we really going to have templates for every dozens of Marvel characters, writers, artists, themes, etc.? -- Tenebrae (talk) 21:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * lol, yeah what the hell? Can we stick to one or two. Obviously the main Marvel template. Too tired to go through all of those. SWatsi (talk) 00:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Lawsuits?
How come there's no mention of all this crazy crap going on with Marvel? The tracing thing from Spain(http://www.twistandshoutcomics.com/twistblog/?p=25)....Stan Lee shareholders asking for their profits (http://www.twistandshoutcomics.com/twistblog/?p=25), Foo Fighters (http://www.suing101.com/Foo-Fighters-Suing-Marvel-Comics.asp).. all this stuff going on, no wonder the company's trying to shaft Mickey Rourke and Sam Jackson. feb 12 09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.91.13.7 (talk) 12:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Age of Heroes
I fixed a miscapitalized O in the list of defunct labels, and "Age of Heroes" now leads to Age of Heroes, a page on an Iranian video game. Is this correct or is it a different label with a similar name? 68.197.217.41 (talk) 19:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Controversies?
The controversies section seems limited only to the most recent--should it be fleshed out to include old controversies (about the handling of gay characters like Rawhide Kid and Northstar, for example) or removed entirely? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.110.91.26 (talk) 02:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Controversy sections are never a good idea, the very title sets things up in a way that conflicts with [{WP:NPOV]] and would tend to give undue weight to negative aspects (the whole tea Party business hasn't resulted in any court action or any major problems for the company and is hardly worthy of more than a mention on a page dealing with a companies long and complex history). Such things should be mentioned in the relevant part of the history and link through to articles that deal with the topic (so for the other example you give, links would go to Rawhide Kid and Northstar (comics) but perhaps also LGBT themes in American mainstream comics).


 * The current contents of that section should be moved to Two Americas (comics) and a sentence of two added to the 2010s section of the company's history. (Emperor (talk) 20:59, 4 March 2010 (UTC))


 * I admit that I'm biased - I didn't think Marvel had anything to apologize for. Captain America has always tackled political issues and controversies, including Watergate. That said, this 'Controversies' section is bad. I'm sure there have been more controversies than just this one - so either you research and include them all (which probably could take up a page by itself) or you wipe this, as Emperor suggests. I concur. If it were up to a vote, I'd say delete. Spekkio (talk) 01:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd have to respectfully disagree &mdash; and I am no friend of the Tea Party movement. However, this was national news, on both television and in newspapers like The New York Times, which establishes its notability. And the editor of a major publishing company went on public record with an apology and an explanation. The content itself is written in as neutral a fashion as, certainly, I could image, stating plainly the page number, what was said on the page, that a representative of an organization condemned it, and the publishing company's reply.


 * I suppose we could simply integrate it with the 2000s section, but it might be more useful to bring other controversial together under this umbrella, as one might for any corporation. They're a part of almost any company's history, and given how they are not business as usual, it might actually be POV to bury them in the midst of other long portions of text.


 * I do applaud Spekkio very much for being forthright about his bias, as I hopefully did with my note of antipathy toward the Tea Party. But right or wrong or agree or disagree doesn't matter -- it's a factual occurrence, it made national news, and it's pertinent to the topic. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry Tenebrae, the factual basis of the controversy is not important - it's weighting is. This is not a major scandal or indeed one that defines Marvel since its establishment as a company yet it is the only controversy in the section and is given a significant space. That is a violation of WP:NPOV and has been removed as such-- Cailil  talk 01:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Joe Simon
There is a contradiction about Joe Simon as Editor-In-Chief start. In the article, it says it began in 1940, but the timeline and the Joe Simon article says it began in 1939. I can't find references for any of this, anybody could solve this issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comae (talk • contribs) 12:45, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Simon worked for Funnies, Inc., from who Goodman got his comic book material from for the first year. Simon then left Funnies as the studio was paring down to work for Goodman. So not much of a contradiction. --Spshu (talk) 18:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Revert 08-13-10
A considerable amount of material along with maintenance tags was deleted by a citation that has not taken place yet. If and when the retraction is made, the citation minus the blog should be added but the entire controversy should not be deleted. moreno oso (talk) 11:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

List of minor Marvel Comics characters article SO BADLY needed
We have plenty articles such as Itsu (comics). This is just crazy and I can assure you there are NO video game character articles like this (no by long shot).

So every of these SEVERAL HUNDRED articles should be judged for notability, and if failed, gassed and redirected to the list. (Or the lists, if one would grow too huge.) Also, there are wikias you know, so why won't you use them? You can start going through this alphabetically or whatever, but just do it. Add Loki as one of the most famous of Marvel villains.

(I just wrote basically the same to the Transformers fandom people.) --Asperchu (talk) 17:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of Marvel vs. Series characters


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Genres
Should Comedy be added to the genres? Marvel must've done a comedy story once or twice... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.203.128 (talk) 03:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

First comic labeled "Marvel Comics"
I've ported this over from Talk:Amazing Adventures since it directly impacts this article:


 * Patsy Walker #95 (cover date: June, 1961) also had a small "MC" logo on its cover. I'm assuming it was published prior to Amazing Adventures #3 (cover date: August, 1961). --Mattkilleen (talk) 13:36, 26 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right: That and Journey into Mystery #69, both cover-dated June 1961. There's a list of comics with the MC box at Marvel : MC (Brand) at the Grand Comics Database. I'll adjust. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 15:20, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Kickass is not a Marvel movie!
Please fix this, the movie was made by Marv studios. There is an explanation to the name of the studio and it's lack of connection to Marvel Studios in the special features section on the Blu-Ray. You have no valuable evidence to prove Marvel had any connection and putting the movie in the list is wrong.

This is the Marvel Comics article, not Marvel Studios. It is not listed at the Marvel Studios article, but it is listed here since it is based on a Marvel property.-5- (talk) 06:15, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not a Marvel property, but as I understand it was published under Marvel' creator owned imprint Icon (the renamed Epic). So it is a movie made from a Marvel Comic book. --Spshu (talk) 18:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Marvel Books
Marvel Books no longer redirect here and is about Marvel prose novel books and the Marvel Books division. So don't remove the main article link from the prose novel section.--Spshu (talk) 22:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

The first sentence of "Timely Publications" section
Seems unlikely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohanchous (talk • contribs) 13:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Quiz: Where did the Communists attack Ant-Man's laboratory? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohanchous (talk • contribs) 19:51, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 September 2012
"Some entries have been popular arcade games like Captain America and The Avengers and X-Men."

"Arcade" is a disambiguation page, and the section talks about arcade games, which have their own article. Please expand the link to "arcade games." 2001:18E8:2:1020:B1B9:4E32:3CE8:AB45 (talk) 15:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

2001:18E8:2:1020:B1B9:4E32:3CE8:AB45 (talk) 15:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. Morwen - Talk 16:07, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

10 images, 78 citations, article is too US-centric and biased, mainly due to concerns about sourcing and image issues, including OR, some the fair use images needs to be trimmed. JJ98 (Talk) 21:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Introduction
The intro ends with the paragraph "Marvel Comics and its major, long-time competitor DC Comics shared over 80% of the American comic-book market in 2008."

This seems a bit odd, if not irrelevant. I suggest either it goes, or be changed to Marvel's market share only and preferably 2012 or 2013. Any thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Infinitum (talk • contribs) 13:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Further reading section
The further reading section section has a bunch of inconsistent styles of citing books - What do we think we want to do with this? KConWiki (talk) 17:33, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Their parent company, The Walt Disney Company, has a clear style for their Further reading section. I suggest using the same formatting.HollywoodCowboy (talk) 17:56, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

==Further reading==
 * All in Color for a Dime by Dick Lupoff & Don Thompson ISBN 0-87341-498-5
 * Jack Kirby: The TCJ Interviews, Milo George, ed. (Fantagraphics Books, Inc., 2001). ISBN 1-56097-434-6
 * Marvel Comics: the Untold Story by Sean Howe. First ed. New York: Harper, 2012. 485 p. ISBN 978-0-06-199210-0
 * Men of Tomorrow: Geeks, Gangsters, and the Birth of the Comic Book by Gerard Jones (Basic Books, 2004) trade paperback ISBN 0-465-03657-0
 * The Steranko History of Comics, Vol. 1 by James Steranko ISBN 0-517-50188-0

Malibu Comics / Scott Mitchell Rosenberg
Okay, I can see I’ve gone about this the wrong way. New to this. Sorry. I’ve been asked to see that Malibu Comics, Scott Rosenberg, and the deals and films that came from Malibu are adequately represented on Wikipedia. Malibu Comics was a significant company that was the publisher of record for Image Comics. It was the only comics publisher outright acquired by Marvel, and it's head, Scott Rosenberg, was given the second highest title at Marvel. Rosenberg was responsible for producing the MIB comic and he signed the deal to bring it to Sony. I have citations to back up these claims and I should have come here to the talk page first. Thanks!

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Malibu Comics was owned by Scott Rosenberg He was the Sr.Executive VP of Marvel for a time and should be named as an officer and a publisher. From the LA Times: "Scott Rosenberg, founder and president of Malibu, will become a senior executive vice president at Marvel, while retaining his post at Malibu."

Rosenberg was responsible for producing the MIB comic and solely being the person to sign the deal bringing it to Sony (widely reported).

Malibu Comics was the company that made the deal for the Image Comics talent to defect from Marvel.

TV: MIB Animated Series Night Man live action series EP Scott Rosenberg Ultraforce animated series EP Scott Rosenberg

Not mentioned was licensing the Malibu Comics' MIB franchise for a theme park attraction. It should be included, but it should be listed separately because Marvel did not license those characters. They were licensed by Sony from the MIB deal Rosenberg and Malibu signed with Sony (then Columbia).

--Halle1185 (talk) 19:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


 * There's an entire Malibu Comics article. We don't list ABC's TV shows or go into their producers in an article about its corporate parent Disney.


 * "I’ve been asked" by whom? If by Rosenberg, that that's conflict-of-interest editing. Subjects aren't prohibited from editing articles about themselves, but those edits cannot be self-serving, whitewashing or contentious. I'm not sure offhand what Wikipedia's policy is about editors paid to burnish clients' Wikipedia pages, but I imagine it's not encouraged. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You are correct, Tenebrae, paid editing is also problematic as self-editing. See Paid-contribution disclosure. Spshu (talk) 13:40, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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I'm not arguing that Marvel Entertainment is the parent company. That is true, without a doubt. However, Disney in general owns everything related to Marvel (almost everything with were excluding the film rights). Disney owns Marvel Comics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocket O'Reily (talk • contribs) 17:56, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You are arguing against Marvel Entertainment as parent company by adding Disney Company as owner as the two field conflict, either one or the other is used. Disney doesn't own Marvel Comics unit directly, but through Disney Marvel Entertainment. Thus you are creating an error in the information. Spshu (talk) 20:00, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Star Wars / Digital Spy
The Digital Spy footnote an editor added is not the original source of that Disney/Marvel/Star Wars claim. Digital Spy attributes it to this post at a personal blog, http://www.blueskydisney.com/2012/12/a-marvelous-dark-horse.html, which is simply giving an unsourced, anonymous rumor: "The Suits in the know have determined that no new contracts will be given to Dark Horse after the current ones expire." That is in no way, shape or form a reliable-site citation, even aside from WP:ELNO re: personal blogs. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:08, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I just found out that Marvel Comics is going to take back the Star Wars comic license from Dark Horse Comics sometime next year. Is this true? Here's a reliable source of what I found out so far: http://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/marvel-to-attain-star-wars-comic-license AdamDeanHall (talk) 21:51, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

That's cool now marvel step up story lines and tie ends to the movies. And the novels.. what about the dark horse comics... Snipesx (talk) 00:15, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry what about the story's form the dark horse comics... Will they continue in marvel... Snipesx (talk) 00:17, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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Branding and corporate name
Goodman did not brand his comic book companies in any way and had multiple brands and corporations. Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide maintained a list of around 40 corporations for his pulp, comics, book and magazine. Timely, Atlas and Marvel are eras of the comic book part of his publishing company and are based on research errors. His pulp magazines were branded under at least three names: Red Circle Magazine, Timely Sports Magazines, Star Magazine under 11 corporations from Atlas News Co. to Zenith Publishing Corp. Since the first comic book issued by his company was brand Timely Comics with publishing company Timely Publications in the indicia, the research assumed all Goodman Comics used that brand in the Golden Age. But other brands like Marvel Magazine was used. Atlas was Goodman's distribution arm which then got its logo on the covers, which did not always indicate a publishing brand. Thus for dark ages (post-GA and pre-SA), researchers assumed Goodman's comic book company/brand was Atlas as he did published under two Atlas corporations, Atlas Magazines, Inc. and Atlas News Co., Inc. After Atlas closed down as a distributor, there were no brands on the Goodman comics while they were being distributed by DC's distribution arm. While the Fantastic Four Vol.1 No. 1 is considered the start of the Marvel era and considered a Marvel comic, there was no Marvel Comics branding for a few years.

Yes, all Goodman publishing corporations were placed under Magazine Management Co., but the company held other publishing operations for magazines, Humorama (humor magazine division) and crossword puzzle books and the like. At some point, Marvel Comics Group (MCG) was a division of Perfect Film/Cadence Industries (Marvel Productions Ltd. was considered a Cadence subsidiary) and MCG and its related business (Marvel Productions, Marvel Books, Marvel Music, etc.) were place within Marvel Entertainment Group, Inc. (MEG). MEG then being a subsidiary of subsidiary of a private corporation.

The name history for the current Marvel Comics underlying corporation is (from NYS Department of State Division of Corporations Entity Information): Current Entity Name: 	MARVEL WORLDWIDE, INC. DOS ID #: 	3278728 Filing Date 	Name Type 	Entity Name JUN 18, 2010 	Actual 	MARVEL WORLDWIDE, INC. NOV 08, 2005 	Actual 	MARVEL PUBLISHING, INC. Magazine Management Co. (from NYS Department of State Division of Corporations Entity Information): Current Entity Name: 	MAGAZINE MANAGEMENT CO., INC. DOS ID #: 	256482 Initial DOS Filing Date: 	MARCH 15, 1973 County: 	NEW YORK Jurisdiction: 	DELAWARE Entity Type: 	FOREIGN BUSINESS CORPORATION Current Entity Status: 	INACTIVE - Surrender of Authority (Apr 29, 1991) Name History Filing Date 	Name Type 	Entity Name MAR 15, 1973 	Actual 	MAGAZINE MANAGEMENT CO., INC. Thus showing that Magazine Management and the current Marvel Comics are two separate entities.

So stop, saying that Magazine Management is the current Marvel. Nor were Timely, Atlas and Marvel names brands. Spshu (talk) 17:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Can't really argue with legal facts like that. But I have to ask, I'm aware that Atlas Comics (which was renamed Marvel Comics) was subsidised under Magazine Management (which was renamed Marvel Comics Group), what happened to Marvel Comics and Marvel Comics Groups after Cadence Industries was liquidated? Did both departments merge, was one absorbed into the other? that's where I get confused? I genuinely would like to know the answer of this to avoid confusion in the future. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 09:15, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * No, the current common use name changed from Atlas Comics to Marvel Comics as Goodman used multiple brands (or no brand) and more corporations. Magazine Management was never renamed (see above Magazine Management), it may have used an assumed name of Marvel Comics Group as MCG was a division there of and the fact that it seems that Goodman or Cadence disposed of its other Magazine Management units (Humorama) with Goodman leaving with one magazine. Marvel Comics Group is primarily/basically Marvel Comics when there there isn't any other imprints or important lines (Star, Epic, B&W, etc.)
 * As explained above: "... MCG and its related business (Marvel Productions, Marvel Books, Marvel Music, etc.) were place within Marvel Entertainment Group, Inc. (MEG)." Then MEG was sold to New World Entertainment/Communications, who then sold MEG, while keeping Marvel Productions and Marvel music units, to Perelman's conglomerate which later perchased New World. Spshu (talk) 22:45, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for taking the time to clarify. It just seems so confusing with all these shell companies representing Marvel as a company. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Marvel Universe locations
"many major characters are based in New York City"

Why single out New York City?
 * Several of Marvel's series from the 1970s onwards (The Champions, Spider-Woman, Werewolf By Night, Ghost Rider, Avengers West Coast, etc) were instead set in California, with either Los Angeles or San Francisco being the characters' homebase.
 * The X-Men are mostly associated with their original base in Westchester County, New York, but for several year the books were set in bases in Australia (specifically the Outback) and Scotland (Muir Island). Their spin-off teams had different bases. Most of the original Generation-X was set in Massachusetts, Excalibur in the United Kingdom, X-Force in Arizona (Camp Verde), and X-Factor in Washington DC.
 * Wolverine's solo adventures typically were set either in his native Canada, Japan, or the fictional island country of Madripoor.
 * Hulk's original tales mostly took part in New Mexico. The Grey Hulk's tales of the 1980s and early 1990s mostly took part in Las Vegas.
 * Alpha Flight's tales (for obvious reasons) are mostly set in Canada.
 * The Defenders' original base was in Greenwich Village, New York City (Sanctum Sanctorum). With Dr. Strange out of the team for much of the 1970s, the team relocated to Long Island (Richmond Riding Academy). The 1980s revamp relocated the team to Colorado (the Aerie). Dimadick (talk) 00:43, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Genres
Currently, the info-box lists following genres: Superhero, Adventure, Fantasy, Science-Fiction, Action.

Formerly, Marvel published, among others, Western (Kid Colt, Rawhide Kid), Horror & Monster (basically the whole 50s), Comedy, Teen-Drama (Patsy and Hedy, Millie the Model), Kids (the Star Comics' stuff) ...

Is the info-box meant to represent only the genres that are currently published by Marvel (the same goes for DC, btw)? --Gott (talk) 16:13, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Generally, the info boxes are for current information unless specific to the field (former names, founders, etc.). Spshu (talk) 18:10, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

And while I'm at it; idk how the notable characters mentioned in the lead are selected, but there are some imHo very notable characters missing, namely the Punisher, Dr. Strange, Deadpool, Submariner, Silver Surfer, Daredevil, Howard the Duck, Ant-Man, Ghost Rider. --Gott (talk) 16:35, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * See for the lack of a standard or source. Now the character may be notable (featured given relatively few shows and movies to characters) for another arm of Marvel - Studios, Animation or Television - should be noted there. Spshu (talk) 18:10, 16 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Re: Genres, thank you. --Gott (talk) 20:15, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Now about the “notable characters“: I read somewhere here on this tp, that 200 issues are the bench-mark for inclusion? Silver

Why are Superhero names being added and removed all the time
I just find it annoying that all of the changes that have been happening lately are Superhero names being added, removed and added again. Was there not a pre-requisite in regards to the superheroes mentioned in the introduction of Marvel Comics? I don't mind as to which edit is the preferable one, I just feel that there's a lack of mutual agreement on how the introduction of this article should be presented. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 18:16, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No pre-requsite was set up per any discussion I am aware of. Apparently some editors think that any hero or villain that has a film or TV show made for them or they appear in a film or episode thus has added them too. (And even some add there favorite.) the list should be its A-listers, the one they are know for. Spshu (talk) 21:11, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * To make things more objective, what criteria's qualify a superhero to be classified as "A-listers" (in regards to Marvel Comics)? I ask this so that everybody reading this can use this as a reference so that a potential edit war doesn't come out of this matter. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 21:24, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * A-lister are those that have headlined one or more Marvel titles for 200+ issues. Spshu (talk) 19:55, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't think there is really a clear definition of A-list, B-list, or C-list characters in comic books, as the relative prominence of any given character or group of character can vary over the company's 78 years of publication. As for some examples.
 * Namor (introduced in 1939) was one of the company's first major characters. He was the main star of "Sub-Mariner Comics" (1941-1955), 42 issues in all. After being revived in the 1960s, he was one of the headliners in the anthology title "Tales to Astonish" (1965-1968), for 31 issues. Then he co-starred in the short-lived anthology title "Iron Man and the Sub-Mariner" (1968), for 1 issue. Then he received his own comic book title again, "Sub-Mariner" vol. 1 (1968-1974), for 72 issues. Despite his prominent role in Marvel team books and a few mini-series, he did not get another long-running title until "Namor the Sub-Mariner" (1990-1995), another 62 issues. Since then he is mostly headlining short-lived ongoings, and mini-series. He has starred in over 200 issues, and had major appearances in hundreds of books starring the Fantastic Four, the Defenders, the Avengers, the X-Men, etc. But he has not been much of a solo character for over 20 years.
 * Silver Surfer (introduced in 1966). He soon received his first solo title "Silver Surfer" vol. 1 (1968-1970). but it only lasted 18 issues. After a number of one-shots and guest appearances, he starred in the long-running title "Silver Surfer" vol. 3 (1987-1998), for 146 issues. Since then he has mostly starred in mini-series and short-lived attempts at ongoings. His current series is "Silver Surfer" vol. 7 and is only in its 13th issue. He has starred in at least 200 issues, and has had major roles elsewhere. But he is far more obscure than the average Avenger or X-Man. Dimadick (talk) 15:53, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think there is a clear definition and gave a definition. Hopefully, though, we should find a source for the list. Secondly, those characters that were the top characters during the Timely era of the company can be listed in that article's lead. Atlas period, other than Millie the Model who had 2 titles that ran over 100 issues, I would have no clue. Spshu (talk) 18:31, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Surfer, Submariner, Punisher and Daredevil all had 200+ issues. I'm not sure about Dr. Strange, Nick Fury and Deadpool, but they should come close, and both are made into big-budget movies. Also Patsy Walker (Patsy & Hedy), Millie the Model and some western characters (Kid Colt? Rawhide Kid?) have more than 200 issues, but for the sake of characters currently published I would strongly opt to include at least Daredevil, Silver Surfer, Punisher and Submariner.


 * What do you think?
 * Cheers, --Gott (talk) 20:15, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added Doctor Strange, Punisher, Deadpool and Ghost Rider. All of them have more than 200 issues and at least one big budget film under their belt, and are currently or recently published. Cheers, --Gott (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * You need to respond to the appropriate, thread (section), Gott. We have not come to a consensus, need more responses. Films should not be a factor as there other Marvel units that handle movies. Spshu (talk) 20:23, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

List of Marvel super heroes
I see List of current Marvel Comics publications, but where does one find a list of the different Marvel characters? TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  17:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Something similar to this List of Star Wars characters. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  17:46, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah - never mind - found it - doh. I was searching for the word superheroes. List of Marvel Comics characters TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  17:48, 1 May 2019 (UTC)