Talk:Marvin Zindler

Audio Clip
A non-copyvio sound clip of MZ signoff would be a great addition to this article. Im sure permission from KTRK would be required. If someone from there is monitoring this page then please consider putting one up. His signature signoff is an iconic part of Houston. (ditto the slime in the ICE machine!) thanks, István 01:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Copied from his KTRK page
Unfortunately it looks as if most of MZ's Wikipedia entry was cut-and-pasted from his KTRK page. mrbill@mrbill.net 03:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Slapdash
One of the hallmarks of Wikipedia is un-substantiated or incorrectly substantiated references and slapdash cut and paste / hit and run pages. Whoever cut and pasted this Wikipage from the KTRK page was oblivious to the fact that Zindler worked for Houston’s third newspaper, Scripps Howard’s “The Houston Press”. Zindler did not work for the weekly alternative owned by Village Voice Media and bearing the same “Houston Press” name. The newspaper was bought out by the Houston Chronicle in 1964. The weekly alternative did not start publication until decades later. The hyperlink connecting “Houston Press” to the weekly alternative’s page is misleading and of no logical use on this page. In fact, that page states, “The Houston Press is not to be confused with the newspaper of the same name that closed in 1964.”
 * It also amazes me that errors are found and a paragragh is written to criticize the original editor, yet the error is not fixed. Postoak 23:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree with Postoak - isnt there a policy/guideline named "so fix it" or something similar? István 14:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggest that maybe the criticism was not directed at the “original editor” (sic) but at the very nature of Wikipedia and the fact that anyone can edit. The proud selling point so often cited as the highlight of Wikipedia is also the biggest Achilles’ heel.  Rather than adhere to stringently documented fact as the guideline for contribution, Wikipedia fosters consensus as the standard. If enough people say the moon is made of green cheese, then the Wikipage on the moon states it is made of green cheese. The amazing thing isn’t so much that someone pointed out a glaring error on this page, but that the structure of Wikipedia allows errors such as that, or errors in truth, or complete fabrications to be posted and left indefinitely. It is amazing that Wikipedia is billed as an encyclopedia. The Wikipedia concept is great, but an encyclopedia it ain’t.  As frantic as some contributors are as they hop from one page to another leaving a trail of instructions and demands to “fix it”  or “clean it up” or change things to better conform to certain standards, they will not necessarily gather any lemmings behind them willing to carry out their demands. Don’t be amazed. Someone came along and subsequently made the correction… maybe that was the intention all along.202.79.62.18 07:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You'd be surprised at the similarities to research science.István 23:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem with Wikipedia, is that they don't clean the SLIME out of the ICE MACHINE!!!!!  Deatonjr 01:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank ya, Marvin.  Deatonjr 00:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh good lord! The same problem with "real" encyclopedias. They can have error in them like you wouldn't believe. that's why Wikipedia is listed AS accurate as a regular encyclopedia. There are is a sense of consensus with our work because not every bit of information we know easily found in a document. But whatever.  Get well Marvin.--Hourick 23:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually “real" encyclopedias don’t suffer the same problem. “Real" encyclopedias have editors, review committees, and publishers who stand behind their work. In all cases, ultimately someone can be held responsible for what is printed. In the case of Wikipedia the design structure is such that nobody is ever held responsible. Even Jimbo himself has managed to sidestep the accusations and lawsuits. The ingenious design of Wikipedia means that complete and utter nonsense can be presented on a page and nobody, not even the author, is held accountable.   This simply can’t happen in a “real" encyclopedia.  The Wikipedia structure allows someone like Brian Chase to create a libelous and completely erroneous entry about John Seigenthaler Sr. being involved in the Kennedy assassination . The Wikipedia structure allowed that entry to stand for four months before a court order forced it off. Why did it take a court order to remove something so ridiculous? Why wasn’t the fact that it was a lie enough to force it off Wikipedia? Shouldn’t the diligent editors of Wikipedia have caught that and corrected it? There are, after all, thousands Wiki-volunteers out there patrolling their areas of interest to make sure any addition or change meets with their approval. This wouldn’t happen at a “real" encyclopedia – at a “real" encyclopedia there are sufficient layers of accountability to keep lies and mistakes out of the pages.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.79.62.19 (talk) 04:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I know it's been awhile, but "The ingenious design of Wikipedia means that complete and utter nonsense can be presented on a page and nobody, not even the author, is held accountable." is false. People who put false info on Wikipedia are held accountable, especially with highly trafficked and well-known subjects. Other editors can see those edits. Other editors can read the sources and determine whether the content is real.
 * Your claim that people aren't held accountable is false considering what happened to the guy who posted the fake Siegenthaler stuff. He was found and he almost lost his employment in the long term. While it took Siegenthaler's complaint for people to discover it, obviously not many people had read the article before Siegenthaler did.
 * This is a real encyclopedia, 202.79. We have "layers of accountability to keep lies and mistakes out of the pages." - the editors are the layers of accountability. Nature determined that Wikipedia articles had the same amount of accuracy that Brittanica 's did (the editors of Britannica disputed the Nature claim, and the Nature editors counter-responded and maintained what they said) - Maybe this is because those editors patrolling have the same function that the professional editors at Britannica do.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 16:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Is there a Typo on the 1940's Dates?
The entry says: "In 1941, at the beginning of World War II, Marvin joined the Marines and later received an honorable discharge.

Marvin began his broadcasting career in 1943 as a part-time radio disc jockey while working for his family's clothing store which his father founded."

Is there a typo on one of the 1940's dates? Or did Marvin work in his family's store while he was a Marine during World War II? Or did he get an honorable discharge in the middle of World War II, after being in the military for only 2 years? Dbaldock 15:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It's also a bit ridiculous to imply that WWII started in 1941. WWII started far earlier (some say it started right after WWI ended), so I edited the article to reflect this. 64.2.115.228 19:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply: In an article of the Houston Chronicle newspaper of July 30, 2007 on Marvin Zindler, it stated he joined the Marines in 1941, but received an honorable discharge the same year.


 * he was discharged because he had two flat feet. As far as the "Beginning" of WWII, it should more accurately state, "At the beginning of America's involvement in WWII is more appropriate."--Hourick 01:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Politics and Television
I think there is enough cited information about his brief attempt at politics to merit some rearrangement. Since quite a bit of his information was initially broadcast, how can we cite a television broadcast?--Hourick 11:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

He's Jewish
RIP Zindler, but there is nothing about him being Jewish on wikipedia. Not that I see. someone write something down please.


 * http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=action13&id=5531830 Not much else to really put on wikipedia about him. IronCrow 04:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Funeral/memorial Service
I think a brief summery of the amount of people went to the viewing and any dignitaries attending the memorial or funeral would be worth mentioning if anyone has this information. --Hourick 02:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

2005 pic of Marvin Zindler
In the article, there is a screencap of Marvin Zindler, doing a "commentary" on a 2005 "Eyewitness News" telecast. In this pic, it included a ticker about not using candles and avoiding opening the fridge. It also gave a time of "7:41", which would've been in the midst of ABC programming at the time. Was that pic during KTRK's Hurricane Rita coverage? If so, does anyone know what choice words Marvin had to say about it? -- azumanga 00:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not certain. Maybe ABC-13 has transcripts of its broadcasts at its studios? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Mmbabies...
Looks like you know who struck here. WAVY 10 21:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

How can the station go from "perennially" in third place to its "usual" spot at number 1 in the span of 1 sentence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.125.32.90 (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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More stuff
Press release about museum exhibit: WhisperToMe (talk) 20:09, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * "Bayou City Noir: The Photography of Marvin Zindler March 24, 2011 - August 13, 2011." Museum of Printing History.

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Brings back memories of a much happier time.
Lived in Sharpstown early 70's and we loved seeing hearing him sign off. Sharpstown was a great place then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:AE80:8B89:6138:581:8E05:86E1 (talk) 12:08, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Context in "Personal life" section
This section is written in such a way as to imply shock at the idea that a man whose father welcomed the patronage of African-Americans and despised the KKK would have considered himself to be a Republican. This demonstrates an ignorance of the Southern culture of that era, where a man of such principles would have had very little choice OTHER than to be a Republican. 2600:1004:B142:AFCB:0:9:482B:9A01 (talk) 21:47, 25 February 2022 (UTC)