Talk:Mary McAleese

Independent?
In 2004, McAleese was returned unopposed but that is surely quite a different thing to saying she is an independent. Did she resign her membership of Fianna Fáil? -- RA (talk) 00:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

End of her term of office.
Since we've had several instances of the end date of her term of office being changed from 10th to 11th November, and back again, it may be worthwhile stating the correct constitutional situation. The transition from one president to the next is not direct, as it is in the US.

Article 12.7 of the Irish Constitution states: "7. The first President shall enter upon his office as soon as may be after his election, and every subsequent President shall enter upon his office on the day following the expiration of the term of office of his predecessor or as soon as may be thereafter or, in the event of his predecessor’s removal from office, death, resignation, or permanent incapacity established as provided by section 3 hereof, as soon as may be after the election."

Thus President Higgins was inaugurated on the 11th November, but President McAleese's term of office expired at midnight on the 10th. In the interim, presidential authority is nominally held by the Presidential Commission, but the Commission has never been called upon to operate during a normal transition between presidents. -- Arwel Parry (talk) 00:47, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

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Substituted at 23:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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A British President of Ireland?
In the article, we do not mention that this woman was born in what is (whether we like it or not) de facto the United Kingdom. I feel we should hightlight this more prominently in the intro, because it is arguably a more defintive part of who she is and what the background of her social conditioning entailed, than we have given credit for currently.

We do not hightlight in the article that Queen's University Belfast, which she attended, is a British university, controlled by British interests and administrated by British people who control the content of what is programmed into the students. And after she had attended that university, she moved south and coincidentally began promoting controvesial changes to Irish culture (advocating liberalism generally, which is a British ideology - in particular, abortion, homosexuality and so on). The "human rights" meme that she employs constantly is specifically an Anglo-American discourse. We must remember that when she began promoting this, only the liberal West ran with this theme (not the Eastern Bloc).

McAleese has maintained her British connection since, by sending her son to an elite English university, at Oxford (which doesn't come cheap). Instead of just in Ireland or any other European country! For the sake of neutrality a propose using the word "British" more readily throughout the article, where it is appropriate.

Obviously, the Presidency was already in a neo-colonial state through Mary "Human Rights" Robinson, whose hubby came from an elite Grand Lodge of Ireland family (we are supposed to be polite and pretend that this organisation is indepedent from the directives of the United Grand Lodge of England, but lets cut the BS), but McAleese was still an important step. Claíomh Solais (talk) 11:32, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


 * We do not highlight the "British university" because they do not brainwash their students. She "sent her son"...?! He had no say in the matter? Wait - possibly he wanted to actually learn more from his mother and father's Secret Masters?  This is some amazing stuff, Claíomh Solais... do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:45, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

This lady is a mass of contradictions. She is surely right in stressing Catholic primacy of conscience, but the day she is collated as a lay canon of Christ Church she inveighs against infant baptism, a key tenet of the Church of Ireland. How inconsistent of her, and how naïve of the Cathedral authorities to put position before principle! 23 June 2018 Clive Sweeting