Talk:Master Hugo

Bury St. Edmunds Cross
The following statement, which appears in the article on this date, makes a dubious claim that is not supported by—and indeed contradicted by—published research:

He has been credited with having made the ivory Cloisters Cross (or "Bury St. Edmunds Cross"), now at The Cloisters, New York, but this is doubtful; there is no certain evidence to suggest that the cross was even made in England, although this is accepted by most scholars, and other places of origin such as Germany have been proposed (emphasis added).

If there is any reasonable basis for this claim, then the originator needs to add references to the article. Unsubstantiated opinion (such as the statement, "this is doubtful") has no place in Wikipedia.

Published research provides reason to believe that the crucifix credited to Master Hugo is the Bury St. Edmunds Cross.

PlaysInPeoria (talk) 04:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is certainly "published research" (not exactly the right word) that suggests it is, but since the comment was added by an editor (not me) who is a professional art historian specialising in exactly this period (work it out), I am pretty confident there will also be "published research" suggesting it is not, as is often the way. You will notice the MMA currently does not claim it was made by Hugo or in Bury, although it does say it is English, even though Hoving's book of many years ago was pretty confident. I suggest you remove your tag. What recent research did you have in mind? Johnbod (talk) 04:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)