Talk:Max Factor Sr.

Born Faktor or Factrowitz?
In this article, it was said his born last name was Faktor, but on John Factor-- his brother-- it was said his bron surname was Factrowitz. Which one is true? -- Sa mue l C urt is -- TALK  16:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

MY LIP GLOSS IS POPIN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.139.15 (talk) 21:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

There has to be an error with regard to either his birthdate or his mother's death date. Max Factor Sr.'s birth year is listed as 1875 and his mother's death year is listed as 1874. Both of these cannot possibly be correct as a deceased woman can not give birth to a child. (Unsigned comment added by Pssbecca (talk • contribs) 15:38, 14 April 2010 (UTC))

born 1872, death 1938 = he died at the age of 61??? ;o) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.3.202.194 (talk) 16:03, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Birthdate / Age at death
According to the lead, the subject died at the age of 65. But the section describing his death says he was 66, so there is still some clarification required. Alfrew (talk) 19:16, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Additional source
This article from Cabinet Magazine is a bio of him, and may be useful: http://cabinetmagazine.org/issues/51/archibald.php Just wanted to leave it here. 63.251.123.2 (talk) 17:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Name Change
It's unlikely his name was changed to "Factor" by an immigration official since German ship records already list the family with the name Factor when departing Hamburg aboard the SS Moltke on 13 Feb 1904. Rkanyok (talk) 23:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Luster is/was not Heir
Regardless of what the article in the citation states, Andrew Luster was not the "heir" to the Max Factor fortune, not in a sense of being the sole or primary heir, which this wiki implies. Luster was not part of the direct line of descent through Max Factor, Jr., did not have any direct role in the family's businesses, and was already somewhat alienated from most of his extended family before he committed his crimes. Some media articles exaggerated his role. The actual wiki on Luster gets its right. He was living off of a $1 million trust fund, which was basically all he had from his family. A lot of money, but hardly the family fortune. Changing the description to "an heir" would be more accurate. 169.252.4.21 (talk) 11:18, 18 October 2016 (UTC)Vainamoinen

Arrival in America
Under the section "Life in America" the article states that he was already established in St. Louis in 1902, but in the previous sentence his year of arrival in the US (at Ellis Island) is given as 1904. Which is correct? Fultie771 (talk) 23:30, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Birth date (again)
According to, his birth date is 1877 instead of 1872 (see photo). -- Speculos (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 10 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move. There does not appear to be consensus for move, as proposed, however as alternative counter-proposals have been mooted this closure is without prejudice to speedy renomination along such lines. (closed by non-admin page mover)   SITH   (talk)   11:44, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

– The WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is the company founder, Max Factor, who was never known as "Max Factor Sr." His son Francis "Frank" Factor did not change his name to "Max Factor Jr." until after his father's death. The article serving as putative primary topic — Max Factor — is basically a retelling of the founder's biographical details already specified in his article and should be moved to Max Factor (cosmetics) which is the standard qualifier for make-up companies. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Max Factor Sr. → Max Factor
 * Max Factor → Max Factor (cosmetics)
 * Oppose The primary topic appears to be the company he founded -- 65.94.170.98 (talk) 07:42, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The primary topic is most certainly the company. Max Factor (businessman, born 1877) would be an option if he wasn't actually known as Max Factor Sr. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:22, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think it would be better to move the page to "Maksymilian Faktorowicz", as there is no real evidence that the name was changed to Max Factor. His son was definitely Max Factor, and most likely named after the company which Faktorowicz established in the US. It would also make the article more original. Oliszydlowski (talk) 14:35, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


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Maxime Factor
Who was Maxime Factor? Roryharrow (talk) 14:59, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Academy Award
There is no mention of Max Factor in any list with Oscar awards in 1929 (or any other year). According to academy page there was no Honorary award in 1929 Is there any solid source for that information ? Britanica is mentioning it in Max Factor bio, but he is not mentioned in any article about awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.253.45.7 (talk) 10:45, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 1 September 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved to Max Factor Sr.. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 17:55, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Max Factor (person) → Max Factor (businessman, born 1877) – In July 2021, this page's main title header had been unilaterally moved to the non-standard Max Factor (person), but the "Max Factor (businessman, born 1877)" option put forward by at Talk:Max Factor (person) represents a familiar Wikipedia form. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:48, 1 September 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Move back to Max Factor Sr. (like on his gravestone and in other sources) to revert the undiscussed move. Agree "person" as a disambiguator is ridiculous, but year of birth is less WP:NATURAL, less WP:CONCISE and less WP:RECOGNIZABLE than his suffix, which already redirects here anyway. Station1 (talk) 19:42, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Max Factor Sr., which appears to have been used. Max Factor (businessman, born 1877) as second choice. Given the previous RM, should not have been moved. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:48, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Max Factor Sr., consistent with Max Factor Jr. "Person" as a disambiguator is just silly. J I P  &#124; Talk 19:04, 2 September 2022 (UTC)