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Requested move 18 July 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved.Unanimous consensus. Winged Blades Godric 11:51, 27 July 2017 (UTC) (non-admin closure)  Winged Blades Godric  11:51, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

– Consistency among all articles on directly elected mayors in England and Wales. Most of them already follow the short form, see Directly elected mayors in the United Kingdom. "Not to be confused" hatnotes (distinguish) should be added where appropriate, pointing to the "Civic mayor of X" articles. Detailed rationale is at Talk:Mayor of Doncaster. — JFG talk 00:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Directly elected mayor of Copeland → Mayor of Copeland
 * Directly elected mayor of Hackney → Mayor of Hackney
 * Directly elected mayor of Lewisham → Mayor of Lewisham
 * Directly elected mayor of Liverpool → Mayor of Liverpool
 * Directly elected mayor of Newham → Mayor of Newham
 * Directly elected mayor of Tower Hamlets → Mayor of Tower Hamlets
 * Directly elected mayor of Stoke-on-Trent → Mayor of Stoke-on-Trent

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.


 * Support for improved brevity and consistency and apparent common name and primary topic meaning of the term (as the nominator in the cited previous RM). —BarrelProof (talk) 02:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support: generally, these positions are described as "Mayor of..." in most reliable source reporting. They soon come to me more important than the other type of mayor. Bondegezou (talk) 08:20, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support - Simplicity of title is the best, it is unnecessary to have this page be anything other than the simplest title. If there is any risk of confusion put a link out in the first line at the very top of the page.Sport and politics (talk) 10:02, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support for brevity. Number   5  7  12:20, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose: there are also ceremonial, un-elected mayors. Do not confuse readers with this. – Sb2001 talk page 14:32, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support: as long as un-elected mayors are not covered. – Sb2001 talk page 17:47, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

This needs discussion IMO. In the previous RM cited above, one editor commented ''The civic mayor of Doncaster is an entirely unnotable post. Every town and city in the country has one, and they usually just serve for a year or two doing ceremonial things only, like opening leisure centres. The elected mayor, however, is a figure with genuine powers, elected by the people.'' (my emphasis)

And yet we do have articles on several civic mayors... there seems no push to AfD them, and I don't suggest it. They easily pass WP:GNG despite this comment.

Is it possible that the significance and/or prominence of these positions is being overlooked as well as their notability? I think it is likely. The exercise of ceremonial powers is likely to appear often in reliable sources, in which they would simply be described as mayor. So by that criterion, the civic mayors may even be primary topics. Andrewa (talk) 04:50, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note some civic mayors are usually referred to a "lord mayor of..." and that should be the article title. Bondegezou (talk) 08:19, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * They are all here: Lists of Mayors in the United Kingdom, a multiple move request should follow after this one passes. Titles would be standardized to "Civic mayor of X", or "Provost of X", no need for "List" titles imho. For Lord Mayors, there's a separate navbox Lists of Lord Mayors in the United Kingdom, and some articles are titled "List of Mayors and Lord Mayors of X", that begs for simplification too, e.g. just "Lord Mayor of X". I'd rather have some genuine British residents or historians comment on those before proposing something inadequate. — JFG talk 17:40, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

The ceremonial mayors are largely un-notable positions, and have alternative titles when used in conjunction with a directly elected Mayor. See the Civic Ambassador in Newham (now abolished), as an example of this. The widespread use of elected mayors is making the need to differentiate unnecessary in all but cases of genuine confusion. Places without a directly elected Mayor will generally have no article on their purely ceremonial mayor. This move is a genuine no brainer in terms of brevity, simplicity and common name usage. Sport and politics (talk) 17:44, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I see what you are saying. – Sb2001 talk page 17:46, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.