Talk:Mediterranean climate/Archive 2

I am feeling petty about Victoria BC
The end of the lead lists major cities with Mediterranean climates but Victoria is not a major city or a city that would be easily recognizable for someone outside of the PNW or Canada. Seattle is right there and would be more appropriate for the list. Vancouver would be a good option but Some people call Vancouver marine. Anyway Victoria small, Seattle big. 174.21.166.132 (talk) 21:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Victoria is one of the rare Canadian cities with a Mediterranean climate. Also we already have two American cities as examples, San Francisco and Los Angeles. It should certainly be mentioned there G. Capo (talk) 21:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * What so everything Canadian is notable now? Burnaby is notable now? Surrey is notable now? both of those silly cities are further north and have higher populations. Bellingham Wa has a population comparable to Victoria and is further north but if this sentence had Bellingham in it, Wikipedia would be branded a silly website and taken off the web. Vancouver would be a good city too add, All kopen maps show it as the northern boundary for the Mediterranean climate zone, it has a dry summer and lacks severe weather and the average reader is much more likely to recognize it as a real place. I changed it to Seattle as a reasonable city because it is a city widely known for it's climate which also stands out as different from most Mediterranean climates. Warm Summer Mediterranean is a notable part of the Mediterranean climate so contrasting Somewhere known for it's rain with LA known for it's no rain is reasonable. Always beleive in hope (talk) 03:20, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I am going to overlook your “silly cities” comment and state that based on the climate data presented on its page, Vancouver does not quite have a Mediterranean climate if you’re using the 30mm dry season threshold, but Victoria does. Also, Victoria is the capital of British Columbia so that certainly makes it notable. Again, this climate type is rare in Canada but is more common in the US. Finally, we want to make this short-list more representative of the world. There are other cities in nations outside the Mediterranean Basin that are not American that features this climate. G. Capo (talk) 15:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I could actually find Delta,BC as a Silly(!) city that is Csb climate. In addition Surrey is not Csb because of the 30/40 limit.PAper GOL (talk) 09:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * And Burnaby is NOT notable either because of the same reason as Vancouver and Surrey.
 * And Bellingham? not a very well-known city. PAper GOL (talk) 09:18, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

New edit war
An Anonymous editor insists on adding Istanbul, Seattle, Portland, and San Diego to the examples in the lead. Re-reverting them at all cost. @Uness232 is right about Istanbul and San Diego as not good examples. But Seattle and Portland? Why are they useless? PAper GOL (talk) 07:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You’re right about Seattle and Portland being okay examples per Köppen (although only i Köppen). I should not have reverted all the changes so quickly. However I do have concerns about the amount of examples. We do not need to list every city that has a Mediterranean clinate in that list. Uness232 (talk) 08:05, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Every Climate type page for some reason is having example lists. Oceanic climate for example has gotten a city list section that is 90% copy-pasted from original Köppen article. Or Subarctic climate. PAper GOL (talk) 08:11, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Anyway, my main reason for this topic is about this repeated edit,revert cycle that is needed to be discussed.PAper GOL (talk) 08:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right, and that is partially my fault. I should have been less hasty in reverting. Uness232 (talk) 08:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You weren't actually that hasty. It took 4 days for 3 reverts. It will not be affected by WP:3RR.
 * I just want know why the anonymous one insists on adding cities? I think we have enough examples here,too.PAper GOL (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I meant hasty as in without consideration or discussion. But yes, I am wondering the same. Uness232 (talk) 09:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

The map is kind of difficult to see
The contrast between the green, grey, and yellow is quite low; can someone generate a new map with more distinct colors? Mattdn8 (talk) 02:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * That is unfortunately not that easy. High resolution maps, especially global ones, are notoriously hard to generate. The color scheme is the one most often used by reliable sources and is consistent as well, so changing it might not be great practice. Uness232 (talk) 15:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Warm summer Mediterranean
@Unseen warm summer Mediterranean places are usually overall wetter than their hot summer counterparts. דולב חולב (talk) 01:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Unees232 דולב חולב (talk) 01:47, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Uness232 דולב חולב (talk) 01:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think a generalization of that sort can be made. Even warmer Csa climates can be very wet, like Antalya. Uness232 (talk) 02:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s true Antalya is relatively wet, but warm summer Mediterranean climate places are much wetter like Redwood, Porto is very wet in a way that I’ve never seen in the hot summer subtype, Portland and more
 * did I convinced you? דולב חולב (talk) 02:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Seattle, Braga and their grounds are more humid supporting forests and not only shrubs. That’s also something we should add. דולב חולב (talk) 02:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Whether a region supports shrubs or forests as its vegetation depends on not just precipitation but also the temperature patterns and the length of dry season. Csb locations in Pacific Northwest have short dry season and colder wintres than typical Mediterranean cities.
 * Most Csb locations are wet, but not all of them, Ávila in central Spain is far from being wet, still qualifies for Csb. Cape Town is Csb but has less than 600 mm precip, while Naples is close to 1000mm. Victoria in British Columbia is Csb but with 600mm of Precip.
 * As Uness stated, we cannot generalize such argument that Csb cities are wetter than Csa cities in a borad term. It would be a case of OR. PAper GOL (talk) 08:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok… you gave some great examples, but still most of the Csb cities i seen are pretty wet, and the Csa cities are not as wet.
 * but in terms of vegetation, Csb always supports more trees and not only shrubs or mostly shrubs like the Csa. דולב חולב (talk) 11:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Bay laurel and buckeye
Bay laurel and Buckeyes aren’t trees, especially the Aesculus californica.

They are both shrubs, while the Bay laurel is an evergreen and the and the Buckeyes is a flowering plant.

Every source calls them a large shrub or a small tree, but I think if we would take the 10 meters designation, and other features, it is more of a shrub.

for the Aesculus California, it is usually described as a shrub, and only in rare cases as a tree. So in this case it is much easier. https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/aesculus-californica/ based here.

דולב חולב (talk) 15:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Other Aesculus are trees, but not the ones found in the Mediterranean climate. דולב חולב (talk) 15:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)