Talk:Mediterranean cuisine/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 13:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Feels great to take on one of your masterpieces :) Sainsf  (talk · contribs) 13:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking this on. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:29, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I have been busy elsewhere... OK, so here are my comments: Sainsf  (talk · contribs) 12:42, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * I think this should be three paras long, covering all aspects of the article as per WP:MOSLEAD.
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Will give a thorough read once done.
 * Alright, one comment (look at the bottom of the page). Sainsf  (talk · contribs) 05:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Geography
 * The cooking of the Mediterranean shores "T" need not be in caps here. Same for "F" ("From") in the next quote and any other similar case.
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * It would be good to add who David was, though you give a link. It would make a good start.
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * You can simply call her David after the first mention.
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Do wheat and grape need links? You already mention them as "main articles" later.
 * I think it's reasonable given their importance here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * It might be a good idea to use quote templates here for the big quotes, as done in the rest of the article.
 * Done for the second one; the first is too short. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Key ingredients
 * I wonder if we need to link "archaeologist". You might as well have linked "historian".
 * Ok, dropped. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Persia and Mesopotamia Links would be appreciated
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk)


 * Link Levant and Turkey if you link all important places, and Crete may be removed as it is a duplink.
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The ten countries with the largest harvests... Mention the year for the figures. Same for Some 90% of the fruit production goes into olive oil
 * Done. They're pretty stable. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Greece, used 17kg per head; Italy, 12kg, Spain 3kg "17 kg" and likewise. Convert templates would be helpful.
 * I'm not sure it's justified here: it adds a lot of clutter to a simple story. I've put in a footnote instead. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Link "hybridised".
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 *  in the empire of Ancient Rome Would be helpful to add the timeline for Ancient Rome.
 * Again, that is quite a lot of apparatus: the term is already linked. Have added "around 2,000 years ago". Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Write the BC years either as "X,000" or as "X000".
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I would not ask conversions for the tonnes, they would be too terrifying and cumbersome.
 * And also worthless, all the tons are pretty much the same in round numbers. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Concept
 *  Carol Helstosky's 2009 Food Culture in the Mediterranean is among the authors → "Carol Helstosky, author of Food Culture in the Mediterranean (2009), is among the authors"
 * Reworded. Chiswick Chap (talk)


 *  "Mediterranean food", writing in her preface → " "Mediterranean food". In her preface (to the 2009 book ) she writes: "
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Pasta is a duplink
 * Ok, not sure it wouldn't be better to leave it in here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it would be safe to add citations before as well as after the quotes, as you do with ref. 24. I noticed you have not for the following quotes.
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * It would be good if you could identify some of the authors mentioned in the last para.
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Origins
 * Would be helpful to add when the Early Modern period was.
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Cooking
 * David's introduction to her A Book of Mediterranean Food  By now we should be able to say "her 1950 book".
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * "Olive oil" and "tomatoes" are two duplinks (there are others which I feel should be retained) that can be removed.
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Despite this, however, the lands bordering...provincial variations. Source?
 * Reffed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Sources for the first paras of French and Spanish sections?
 * Reffed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Mediterranean diet and cuisine
 * Massimo Alberini and Giorgio Mistretta Who are they?
 * Dropped their names, basically it's just a travel guide. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * A changing cuisine
 * Since Elizabeth David wrote  Just "David"
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Images
 * Properly licensed
 * Images are squashing the text at many places.
 * I've tried it at a range of screen widths, and it seems reasonable. Since all the images are serving a definite purpose, we should probably just live with it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Note I think the article should follow BE. Here is a script that can save you from doing this manually. Sainsf  (talk · contribs) 14:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I have written it in BE. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Just checked with the script, there was a "popularized" that it fixed. Sainsf  (talk · contribs) 05:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah. Yes, we Brits often use 'z's actually, contrary to popular belief! Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

This splendid work can now be promoted. Just one suggestion about the lead, I think you should list some of the cuisine varieties you discuss in "Cooking". Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll do that. Many thanks for the review. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC)