Talk:Megyeri Bridge

Stephen Colbert Bridge
Can someone please do more to emphasize that the proper name of this bridge is the Stephen Colbert Bridge? I appreciate that the Hungarians would like to have the right to name their bridge according to their patriotic interests free from interference, but let's be honest, the internet poll has spoken! It's indisputable!

Chuck Norris relevance
I feel that the following reference...

"  1. ^ "Chuck Norris leads vote for Budapest bridge name", Yahoo News, August 1, 2006.     "

...is no longer relevant to the article. Anyone else agree?


 * I disagree... it provides background for the ongoing bridge naming contest especially since Norris is still in the top ten (9/3/04).
 * --DatraxMada 03:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Umm...9/3/04? I'm quite sure the voting hadn't started ::yet.--192.168.1.2 18:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Colbert website link correction
"On August 11, American satirist Stephen Colbert discussed the story on his comedy program The Colbert Report, instructing his viewers to visit the polling website and vote for him instead of Norris by following a link from his own "Colbert Nation" website"

He didn't say to follow a link on his website, he described how to do it on his show. http://youtube.com/watch?v=FOCWbu7ghtw&mode=related&search= - anonymous

Colbert date correction in re website link
On August 16 Colbert requested that viewers vote by following a link on his "Colbert Nation" website, not August 11 as previously stated. On the 11th he requested votes but, as stated above, he did not include the link from his website. --DatraxMada 03:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

HOWdo you vote

The Colbert nation website is not "his" website, rather his most popular fan website he endorses.


 * That's not true. Colbert Nation is an official Comedy Central website (check the copyright line in the footer), it's just made to look like a fan site. --Goblin &rsaquo;talk 16:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Voting results
The results came from http://www.m0hid.gov.hu/ if anyone wants to double check them, ''Az 1. forduló eredménye means 1st round results and Az 2. forduló eredménye means 2nd round results''. Intertran probably has the best online Hungarian translator. You can find it here: http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Translate/result.shtml

And the winner is?
So. IS the bridge really gonna be named after him?


 * Yes.

BTW, we're going to see some vandalism. I suggest semi-protection. Axeman89 03:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I was suprised that there was no vandalism, but the bridge is also not the easiest wikipedia entry to find. You can't find it by stringing together any search term that has colbert in it, like "colbert bridge," "colbert hid bridge," "colbert hungarian bridge," which I found a little odd, because I knew that the article had been updated to include all the name troubles.  I finally found it under a list of all hungarian bridges.TStein 07:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it's not going to happen. The Hungarian ambassador to the US was on Colbert's show today and said in order for Colbert to be accepted, he had to 1) be fluent in Hungarian, and 2) be dead.  Not to mention the poll is simply a suggestion of the name (with the top 3 being considered), not an official "winner take all" poll. WTStoffs 05:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yea, my guess is that it's going to be named Zrínyi híd as that would be the most sensible one. I'm pretty sure the Hungarian government isn't going to name it after Colbert (as awesome as that would be). Sasquatch t|c 06:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

according to Hungarian ambassador, Colbert speaks fluent Hungarian
Shouldn't it be noted in the article, since the naming article is a pop culture/humor article that Colbert did pass the fluency test? The ambassador said that he had to speak fluent Hungarian and he said something like "Zrínyi...and I think híd means bridge" and the ambassador said something like "great you can speak fluent Hungarian, but I think the second requirement is a little harder..."

Ok, so my quotes are all a little off, but I'm pretty sure that at least according the Hungarian ambassador and Colbert it's the death requirement keeping Colbert from being eligible. Maybe not the truth, but definitly truthy, and that seems to be way more important. At least to this crowd.TStein 07:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe the ambassador was being sarcastic. Wikipedai does not conform pages to specific crowds, such as the "Colbert Report" crowd, but to the general public.  I linked the actual video to the page as ref.  =D   Jumping cheese  Contact 00:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * A link is fine. I didn't mean the Colbert crowd...I meant something much larger.  I was including the Hungarian ambassador, the 17 million "easy" votes and the almost 100,000 votes he gote once people had to know enough hungarian to register


 * it wasn't like it was colbert jumping around on television (which granted if enough people pay attention and it gets enough press, becomes part of this article because people are actually listening to him). Colbert had made enough of an impact of some kind (you don't know what) that the ambassador of Hungary played along, which i thought was most evidenced by his saying that colbert spoke Hungarian fluently. lots of Americans who go onto Colbert's show to sell a book or get a vote don't play along, and i thought it said something that the Hungarian ambassador not only went on the show but played along with the game


 * now is it important to the bridge? probably not.  thats one of the problems with immediate encyclopedia articles--there is a lot of pop culture in them and we won't know for anoter X years what sort (if any) affect it will have other than being a pop culture moment.  but i wasn't saying that we should play to a particular audience.  if anything, the hungarian ambassador is playing to a particular audience and we simply have to decide what part is important to this article TStein 03:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk: page cleanup
I just did a little clean-up of the talk page. I changed how the sections were divided so that there was a table of contents and just gave the sections the most applicable names I could think of. I also indented responses--the whole thing was getting really messy and even though the page is really short, when I wanted to find what someone had said it was suprisingly hard too. This didn't change any of the content on the page--I didn't even change where the section breaks were, just how they were done. Obviously, feel free to change your content headings.

Also, as this article will only be growing in the future days, and with it the talk pages, I wanted to remind people of a couple things.

Sign your comments! All it takes is four little tildas (~) And please use wikipedia formating for subsections ( ==title goes here== ) instead of just doing doing this: --. It's cleaner and means that there's a table of contents (or that if a table of contents already exists your comment gets filed into it). If you need help you can always open editing help (located next to save changes).TStein 08:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

And the name comes from where? and wrong language link
Half of this article is about the naming controversy and there's no info on the dead person who spoke fluent Hungarian who this is named after?

"On September 28, 2006, it was announced that the bridge will be named "Megyeri Bridge", even though that name did not make it to the second round. The Hungarian Geographical Name Committee justified the final name by explaining that the bridge connects Káposztásmegyer and Békásmegyer."

And that means what exactly? There's no Wikipedia entry for Megyeri, so this page can't link to that the way it could to Zrínyi, and this article has no information on who Megyeri was or what connecting the Káposztásmegyer and Békásmegyer means. Even bridges that didn't have this all this hullabulloo going on would give some information on who the bridge was named after--we don't even have his full name!. And considering that only seven lines in the entire article aren't about the name, it might be just a little more important in this case.


 * I don't think it's actually named after a person. Káposztásmegyer and Békásmegyer both end in -megyer, so the explanation in the article makes sense to me -- it sounds like the bridge was named for the two cities it connects. I'm reluctant to rephrase, though, since I don't speak Hungarian. -- Bailey(talk) 22:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

The bridge was named after the two neighbourhoods it connects. Its name means 'Bridge of Megyer'. Megyeri is actually a relatively frequent family name in Hungary. 192.168.1.2 (talk) 14:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Wrong Language Link?
One other thing--how did this link: "The M0 Bridge named as Megyeri Bridge", RTLKlub.hu, September 28, 2006"--come to have an be in English on this page? Because it links to a page all in Hungarian, where the title of the article is in fact in Hungarian.  Shouldn't we therefore either link to a translated version of the page (if we can even do that) or change the name of the link so that it is in Hungarian? TStein 22:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

recent edit: jokingly
In re the revert I just performed:

There's no need to say, "colbert jokingly tried to bribe..." as the nature of Colbert's show and his character come through earlier in the article. The section as it is currently written: "...10,000 HUF Bill, with an approximate value of, as the ambassador put it, 'fifty dollars, fifty good US dollars'. Colbert promptly tried to bribe him with said money." already gives readers the sense that Colbert wasn't actually trying to bribe someone (especially as this was taking place on camera). The current version of the article is much better written and I think gives a better sense of Colbert and the situation then spelling out for the readers that Colbert (the person, not the character) was in fact not actually making a serious attempt at bribing the Hungarian Ambassador on television. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TStein (talk • contribs) 11:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC).


 * I disagree. "Colbert promptly tried to bribe him with said money" is cute, but not strictly accurate, nor encyclopedic in tone. Spelling things out for the reader is pretty much what encyclopedias do ("a house generally has walls and a roof...") and besides, this is an article about a bridge; giving a "sense" of Colbert and the bit on his show isn't really the priority. -- Bailey(talk) 15:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Does it really even need to be noted that Colbert tried to bribe him with the money? If there isn't an agreement on how to state it, it's not really a necessary fact.DavidFuzznut 06:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

seriousness
guys, a nice and large bridge was constructed with an utmost transportation and economical importance.

i think only us, Hungarians can be as stupid as to get involved in such a ridiculous debate on the name.

shame on us.

csb, budapest, hungary

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