Talk:Meral Akşener

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Re " in the of contemporary democratic principles" could that be " in the light of contemporary democratic principles"?  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  14:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Academic title in infobox
The MOS:DOC guideline about "Academic titles and degrees" says Academic and professional titles ... should be used in a Wikipedia article only when the subject is widely known by a pseudonym or stage name containing such a title. However, verifiable facts about how a person attained his or her title should be included in the article. As you say in your edit summary, verifiable facts about how Meral Akşener attained her Ph.D. is included in the article, which is fine. But I fail to see that this justifies the use of her "Dr." title in the infobox. The guideline says that the title shall be used in the article only when etc., saying nothing about exceptions regarding the infobox. Can you please point to what you base your understanding on? Regards! --T*U (talk) 14:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, the guideline says Academic and professional titles ... should be used in a Wikipedia article only when the subject is widely known by a pseudonym or stage name containing such a title. In Turkey, individuals who have earned a Doctor of Philosophy degree (or any kind of doctoral degree) use the title Doctor on almost all platforms as a prefix. It is very common for Meral Akşener to be announced as Dr. Meral Akşener in party gatherings, similar to Necmettin Erbakan, Doğu Perinçek or Devlet Bahçeli.The Outsider (talk) 19:49, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * That is really not what MOS:DOC is about. The tradition for using/not using titles when annonced in party gatherings in Turkey or any other country has nothing to do with "pseudonym or stage name". Social conventions in different countries is completely irrelevant to Wikipedia's naming standards. As for your three examples, only one of the articles use "Prof. Dr.", and that should probably be removed per MOS:DOC. --T*U (talk) 20:53, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Addition after one week of waiting: Not one of the sources used in the article use the title when talking about her. It is "Meral Akşener", "Mrs Akşener", "Ms Akşener" or just "Akşener". Not even the Turkish-language source uses "Dr". I am removing this again.
 * The same goes for the "PhD" addition in the lede. Please read MOS:DOC: Post-nominal letters for academic degrees following the subject's name ... may occasionally be used within an article where the person with the degree is not the subject, to clarify that person's qualifications with regard to some part of the article, though this is usually better explained in descriptive wording. Avoid this practice otherwise. (Bolding is mine.) Thank you! --T*U (talk) 06:53, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

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