Talk:Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains

suggested move.
I think this article should be moved to Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines, since that is the current name of the company following Daimler Chrysler's acquisition. Any thoughts/objections?Spute 19:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think the article should be called Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines and Mercedes-Ilmor should be a redirect to it. -- DH85868993 05:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Company name
Is the company called "Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines" (i.e. with spaces between the last three words) or "Mercedes-Benz HighPerformanceEngines" (i.e. with no spaces). The company's own website is a little self-contradictory: The homepage says "Welcome to HighPerformanceEngines" (i.e. no spaces) but the browser titlebar displays "Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines" (i.e. with spaces). "High Performance Engines" returns 4010 Google hits, compared to 2550 for "HighPerformanceEngines" (although note that many of the Google hits are mirrors of this article, so those numbers are a little rubbery). DH85868993 (talk) 15:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's without spaces as per all mentions on their website and confirmed by their Companies House entry. If there are no objections, I will change it. AJKGORDON  «»  08:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Results table
I propose that the results table in this article (and the ones in Mercedes GP) be replaced by a link to Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix results (which contains similar tables). If you have any views on this proposal, please join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Formula_One. DH85868993 (talk) 13:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. DH85868993 (talk) 12:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

1954–1955
Why is there no mention of this time period in this article? Except the years and some results in the table that is? I discovered this when adding a Drivers' Championship column in the table. Diffs here and here when I realized the problem. --DB1729 (talk) 04:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Notionally, the article is about Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains (originally called Ilmor Engineering, then Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines) which was founded in 1983, so the 1954-55 results are outside the scope of the article. However the "Formula One engine results" table includes results for all Mercedes-Benz engines (i.e. including 1954-55). My suggestion would be to either remove the 1954-55 results from the table, or add a note to the table clarifying that it includes results for all Mercedes-Benz engines, not only those manufactured by Ilmor Engineering/Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines/Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains. DH85868993 (talk) 08:55, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed. As for which solution I think we should remove the early years. If so, the running win total for the first row should be 92 by my reckoning. Sound right? Would we need to also add a clarification note for that situation, "Table does not include results of the Mercedes engines which competed in 1954-1955" or something similar? I am planning on making the changes later today. --DB1729 (talk) 11:32, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with removing the early years from the table; it makes the article internally consistent. I also get 92 wins for the first row if you exclude 1954-55. That text sounds OK for the note. DH85868993 (talk) 11:42, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

✅ --DB1729 (talk) 22:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

The impressive stat indicating their dominance is starting sound less so?
Couldn't help but notice User:DH85868993's edit summary last week.

The phrase in question from the article is:

Since the introduction of the new engine formula, there have only been 33 occasions where a car with a non-Mercedes power unit achieved pole position.

While this fact is remarkable and still very impressive when you think about it, it is becoming less so than it was a couple years ago. It's going to start feeling silly to continue to update it if the Mercs continue to play runner-up to Red Bull this season. However, the statement Similarly, as of the 2021 Austrian Grand Prix, Mercedes-powered cars have won 106 out of 147 races during this period. still reads like an impactful and remarkable fact imo, even as Mercedes continue to lose races.

I think it would be better to rephrase the poles sentence in someway to remove the word "only", which seems uncomfortable to me now. Maybe it should be combined with the wins statement and parallel it more like this?


 * "Since the introduction of the new engine formula, Mercedes-powered cars have achieved pole position in 114 out of 147 races as of the 2021 Austrian Grand Prix, and have won 106 out of 147 races during this period."

Mercedes dominance in this era will always be worth mentioning, so I believe these stats should remain in one form or another. But at some point their era of dominance will end, and if that time is now, then I would not be opposed to cutting off the updating and just leave it as static for the period 2014–2020 (or wait and do 2014–2021, if they're not winning and the 2022 season marks a new era anyway with the changes). DB1729 (talk) 03:07, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I support the revised wording proposed above. I suggest continuing the count until the end of 2021 and then deciding whether we want to change it to cover just 2014-2020. DH85868993 (talk) 04:06, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree with DH85868993. SSSB (talk) 09:11, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for the feedback. I have made the change to the wording. DB1729 (talk) 13:13, 6 July 2021 (UTC)