Talk:Michael Jackson/Archive 31

Editor lair about Michael Jackson
The page is shit and not make sence. Since i end up reading Michael Jacksonen.en wikipedia it's So sad that some Editer or hater tried to lair about him why wasn't he Humanitarian while He did many thing more than other enterainer. ? why editer tried to hide good thing of him? and lair to show Sold record even though people can find information. This is my opinion. en wikipedia there are many thing untrue. so sad.


 * By no means is this page trying to "hide" anything or lie about him. If there are specific things you feel are missing, feel free to mention what those are. Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:41, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2016
Michael Jackson is the seventh child not the eight without including his brother Brandon. The order of the Jacksons is Rebbie,Jackie,Tito,Jermaine,La Toya, Marlon and then Michael is the seventh and with Janet and Randy being the youngest. He is the seventh without Brandon. Moonwalkerlover (talk) 00:05, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * as mentioned in previous threads, Brandon dying young doesn't mean he can or should be excluded; Michael is in fact the eighth overall child. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:46, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

False accusations about Michael Jackson
After reading this article, I believe you could add this statement in the section about his voice or rumors.

There were rumors about Michael Jackson that he took hormones to maintain his high voice, but in an interview with a press member he was asked to truthfully answer that rumor and he claimed he had never taken any hormones to enhance his voice in any way.

Citation: McDOUGAL, DENNIS. "MICHAEL JACKSON 'SETS THE RECORD STRAIGHT'." Los Angeles Times (1923-Current File): 2. Sep 06 1984. ProQuest. Web. 21 Sep. 2016 . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewkischer97 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Child sex abuse
It's obvious he was one of those. He is dead; put it in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jilljack1952 (talk • contribs) 07:34, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * that's a rumor made without official proof. Snuggums (talk / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 13:36, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

<b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> Verifiability, not truth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.190.18.100 (talk) 17:29, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * IP, I was basically saying that the allegation was not verified since it lacked sufficient proof via really good sourcing. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 18:09, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Earnigs of 2016
Michael Jackson earned $825 Million in 2016 — the largest single year payday ever by any Entertainer in history Akhiljaxxn (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Updated intro end line with new figure. Should a low-balled net worth from 2007 really be in the info box at the article's beginning? Net takings from 2016's estimate gross earnings alone outstrip that figure.Mc8755 (talk) 21:59, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

The 825 Million figure is not the networth of michael jackson .its only the earnings of this year .in 2015 forbes reported that his earning after death range between 1.1B to 1.2B and his estate paid off his 450Million debt from that and reported his networth as 600M.so the networth of mj today will be the sum total of 825m+600M Akhiljaxxn (talk) 02:45, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Not so sure what his net worth would be today, but yearly earnings definitely aren't the same thing as net worth. I've restored the previous figure for that and clarified that the $825 million figure is from yearly earnings. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 04:03, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Agree these are estimates gross takings pre-tax and pre-expenses, but the idea the net worth would be a very small fraction of gross earnings post-2009 is a little silly. I think it makes more sense to remove a low-ball estimate rather than update it to an unambiguous figure as of now when annual earnings are so huge it's likely the net worth is exploding per annum. Currently, Forbes rates Jackson's posthumous takings north of $2 billion in gross takings. That puts net cash at least three times the 2007 figure being used. Mc8755 (talk) 21:44, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * So basically, Mc8755 you're talking about our guess... So I don't agree put the current figure extracted from Forbes or not in the infobox or lead. Maybe in the respective sections. Chrishonduras (talk) 22:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2016
In addition to the album, Jackson released "Thriller", a 14-minute music video directed by John Landis, in 1983.[81] It "defined music videos and broke racial barriers" on the Music Television Channel (MTV), a fledgling entertainment television channel at the time.[46] In December 2009, the Library of Congress selected the "Thriller" music video for inclusion in the National Film Registry. It was one of 25 films named that year as "works of enduring importance to American culture" that would be "preserved for all time."[82][83] As of 2009, the zombie-themed "Thriller" is the only music video to have been inducted into the registry.[81][83][84] Also, Jackson got in some trouble with the Jehovah's Witness because of the video. Because of this, Jackson added a disclaimer at the beginning of the video saying, ''Due to my strong personal convictions, I wish to stress that this film in no way endorses a belief in the occult. Michael Jackson''. Before adding the disclaimer, Jackson was fully prepared to scrap the whole song, because he didn't want the Jehovah's Witness to be mad at him. (NOT PART OF THE ARTICLE) I'm not too sure how to cite this properly, but the source is Randy J. Taraborelli's biography.

Sammy13489 (talk) 15:09, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This has WP:TOPIC issues, because Michael Jackson's Thriller (music video) has its own article where this is mentioned.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:16, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

honorific-prefix
Hi...is it possible to use honorific-prefix for this page (honorific-prefix = King Of Pop) like we use honorific prefix of Pandit for Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma for Mahatma Gandhi or  use honorific-prefix = King Sani like MBE of Paul McCartney ??? Akhiljaxxn (talk) 18:08, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No because that's not really an official title; it's more like a term of endearment from critics and fans. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 18:30, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

The title Pandit and Mahatma are also used by their followers and critics alike.Gandhi called mahatma for the first time by Rabindranath Tagore and the Title King sani is really a official tittle by ivory coast. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 18:55, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "King of Pop" still isn't an official title in the royal or honorary sense, so it doesn't belong in infobox as this isn't supposed to be a fansite. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 04:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

<b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> Lets not forget that in 1992 Michael Jackson was actually crowned "King" in the Kingdom of Sanwi and i've already produced the link to prove my claim Akhiljaxxn (talk) 10:08, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I saw those links, but it's not like he served as king, though. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 13:54, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2016
I want to edit this page because there is some false information in here.

Kayleigh Lemachko (talk) 16:51, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * the article is semi-protected, so if you can't edit you will need to provide a specific change and sources here on the talk page.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 17:06, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Discuss philanthropy in lead
If Jackson is described as a philanthropist in the lead, then his philanthropic activity should be prominent enough to merit discussion in the lead. The lead sentence shouldn't tease people to force them to search for topics in the body of the article. Everything important should be there in the lead. In short, could someone please add a paragraph about his philanthropic activity to the lead? LK (talk) 03:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Radar Online article...
I think this deserves a mention, even if it's just brought up as a possibility, because the facts seem well-researched and solid to me, and there's a video.

radaronline.com/celebrity-news/michael-jackson-police-reports-search-warrant-pornography/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:D202:7D00:247E:EE79:5123:B15B (talk) 13:32, 8 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Radar Online is not at all deemed a reliable source, plus The Santa Barbara County Sheriff Department has said they released all of their official documents, and that this wasn't among them. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 14:02, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Could you link to the source that says that the Sheriff Department released all official documents and this was not one of them? Just because I don't see it referred to in the Billboard article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:D202:7D00:247E:EE79:5123:B15B (talk) 14:26, 8 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Look closer. The link I gave contains the quote "Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff's Office personnel as well as evidentiary photographs taken by Sheriff's Office personnel interspersed with content that appears to be obtained off the internet or through unknown sources" and goes on to say "The Sheriff's Office did not release any of the documents and/or photographs to the media. The Sheriff's Office released all of its reports and the photographs as part of the required discovery process to the prosecution and the defense." <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 14:49, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Okay. But nowhere does it say that the reports have been fabricated or faked. They simply say they were obtained illegally. If they'd claimed them as fabrications, it would be different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:D202:7D00:247E:EE79:5123:B15B (talk) 02:28, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-child-porn-found-at-neverland-thenor-now-the_us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8 <- Radar Online Fake Articles ...

Michael Jackson videography
I have listed this article as a FLC here; Featured list candidates/Michael Jackson videography/archive2. Please give your opinion on this. Thanks. Chase (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

It's good. Nice! Jackson videography! &#35;Uzlover.. (talk) 16:38, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Net Worth
Seems a bit redundant to have a random 2007 net worth for Jackson in his bio. Since figures are too difficult to track accurately (Forbes have total gross career earnings for Jackson over $3 billion) and in 2007 Jackson owned (among other assets) Neverland Ranch, a $100M property and half of multi-billion dollar music catalog, this "net" worth seems wholly inaccurate even with the article's source. Currently, the Estate of Michael Jackson are claiming a much lower worth for tax purposes, also, while the IRS asset more than $1.1 billion in assets. Consider removing this figure. Mc8755 (talk) 16:05, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The reason this was used is because it was the most recent verified figure (at least before his death). Removing from infobox is understandable due to the disputes over how much it would be in more modern times (including the day he died), but I'd say the sections on his finance should stay due to the debt issues he had. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 16:23, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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Signature
Why was Michael's signature removed from the infobox? DBZFan30 (talk) 03:23, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Because its licensing was dubious, and it didn't really benefit the infobox to begin with. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 03:43, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2017
This article definitely needs a section about the rumors that M.J. is alive. And that he faked his own death.

There are lot of videos showing M.J. alive and other evidences that it might be the truth. So sombody should start either a new page about M.J. alive conspiracy theories or similar.

Here are some links (since you block YouTube I have removed some parts of the links):

--> youtube/xmXoAWKzZgg

--> youtube/kqHmIUEy01I

--> youtube/Hwa9vDcMm4E

Regards: "Interested" 188.67.114.232 (talk) 20:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 20:16, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a rumor or speculation site. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 20:17, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2017
--- This article definitely needs a section about the rumors that M.J. is alive. And that he faked his own death.

There are lot of videos showing M.J. alive and other evidences that it might be the truth. So somebody should start either a new page about M.J. alive conspiracy theories or similar.

Here are some links (since you block YouTube I have removed some parts of the links):

--> youtube/xmXoAWKzZgg

--> youtube/kqHmIUEy01I

--> youtube/Hwa9vDcMm4E


 * please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.


 * Some information sources I JUST listed above!! YouTube is a very good source for information and also disinformation, but it is YOUR job to find what is relevant. (Kind of hard head to read what is given before answering!?) (37.33.50.32 (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC))


 * Furthermore, Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a rumor or speculation site.


 * That is not just some rumor anymore! There are simply TOO MANY sources and documents that state that he is alive and lot of proofs that the death and funeral was fake! .. The another possibility IS that for example one of his many body doubles is playing M.J. --- but what so ever that would be part of the text in that part of the story! (37.33.50.32 (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC))


 * If you DON'T want to have it under M.J. so start a new page about "M.J. Alive Conspiracy Theories" or something similar so that you don't need to edit your "official truth". The many documents that support the "fake death" should be examined and the results published ... either way ... since wikipedia is known source for REAL information. Your attitude protecting M.J's very possible fake death (or that somebody is faking M.J. alive) IS AGAINST Wikipedia rules! All aspects should be examined and information published! You are now protecting fake information and that IS AGAINST Wikipedia rules!!! You find several information sources about the subject in YouTube for example and different news also. (37.33.50.32 (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC)) 37.33.50.32 (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well we do have Elvis sightings.... but I don't think the MJ alive conspiracy theories are quite at that level yet. There's this from the Telegraph in 2009 and this from The International Business Times] in 2014. I doubt that's enough for a Michael Jackson sightings article. But you're welcome to create an account, start it and see how long it lasts...--Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:21, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Proposed addition to the FAQ list
This seems to come up a lot, for example here, here, here. Might warrant inclusion in the FAQ list; above is a rough draft. Eman 235 / talk  20:28, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Definitely warrants inclusion. I'm adding it. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 20:33, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Eman  235 / talk  22:21, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Death Section/ First Sentence
The first couple of sentences in the death section read:

"On June 25, 2009, Jackson fell unconscious while lying in bed at his rented mansion at 100 North Carolwood Drive in the Holmby Hills district of Los Angeles. Attempts at resuscitating him by Conrad Murray, his personal physician, were unsuccessful."

I'm a little confused by the statement. He was essentially already unconscious. I think the first sentence should read:

"On June 25, 2009, Jackson stopped breathing while attempting to sleep under the care of his personal physician, Conrad Murray. Murray reportedly had given Jackson an array of medications in an attempt to help him sleep at his rented mansion in the Holmby Hills district of Los Angeles. Attempts at resuscitating Jackson were unsuccessful."

If no one has an opinion or objection to this, I'm changing it. Zdawg1029 (talk) 01:20, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I can't access the second or third pages of the given citation due to subscription issues, but if your suggestion is supported by this link, then such a change is fine with me. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 01:39, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * What given citation? I didn't give one. Which part do you need a citation for?Zdawg1029 (talk) 01:45, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The given citation being used in the article now is the link I just provided in my previous comment. I can see support for Conrad Murray unsuccessfully trying to resuscitate him, but because I don't have a subscription to The Times, I can't look into further pages to find if it says he stopped breathing or was trying to sleep. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 02:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The re-wording looks fine to me, provided the reference supports the change, I can not look it up either, the sequence of events do sound familiar [iirc]  -  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 02:26, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I thought the sequence of events was widely known to the world, or at least what was reported by Murray himself. But there is a link below with a timeline of the events. He was trying to help Jackson sleep, so he gave him a bunch of different meds throughout the night. He finally gave him propofol which knocked him out and made him stop breathing. Murray found him not breathing and attempted to do CPR and was unsuccessful. Zdawg1029 (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * http://abcnews.go.com/2020/MichaelJackson/michael-jackson-final-days-timeline-year-death-king/story?id=10974394


 * Since no one seems to have anything else to say, I guess I will go ahead and make the change. Zdawg1029 (talk) 05:48, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * SNUGGMS, I think the wording was fine how I had it originally, now it seems like a run on sentence, but whatever. Zdawg1029 (talk) 19:12, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry; I've revised it a bit, and was trying to avoid having "Murray" appear twice in a row. Should look better than what I previously had. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 19:17, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks fine, thanks. Zdawg1029 (talk) 21:46, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

"yearly earnings of $825 million"
The phrase "with yearly earnings of $825 million in 2016" tends to suggest that this sort of amount is earned each year, or expected to continue each year, whereas later in the article it says that this especially large sum was mostly due to a one-off item. I suggest that the word "yearly" is removed. 109.145.3.21 (talk) 01:25, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've moved it to a different part of the sentence since this was taking about most money made within a year. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 01:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Thriller sales Figure
The estimated sales of Thriller was 65 million since a long (more than 2 years now here on wiki) at that time it has been certified 29 times platinum in usa since then thriller has sold 4 more million and now its total certification is 33 time platinum but the estimated figure is the same 65 million how its possible?Akhiljaxxn (talk) 02:23, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell, 65M is the most recent known worldwide total given that wasn't inflated. You can see Talk:Thriller (Michael Jackson album)/Archive 6 for more details. Given past disputes over its sales, users would likely need consensus on what a more recent accurate figure is before changing the total. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 02:31, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Michael Jackson & Freddie Mercury Duets
The article states that 3 duets by QUEEN's Freddie Mercury and Michael Jackson were completed and released. Not true. Only 1 duet has been published, to date. The surviving members of QUEEN have been quoted as saying that the act of getting that 1 duet released was like 'wading through glue.' Will the 2 remaining duets [reportedly Michael & Freddie singing 'State Of Shock,' and the song 'Victory'] be released? Who knows, but the section of the article that claims 3 songs have been released needs to be corrected.
 * You'll need to give us more than your personal knowledge if you want anything in the article changed. Sundayclose (talk) 20:44, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

External Links - Addition of Michael Jackson's official YouTube channel
Asking for feedback on the adding of Michael Jackon's Official YouTube channel, listed as michaeljacksonVEVO? michaeljacksonVEVO official YouTube channel Thank you Vwanweb (talk) 06:07, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No, since this is mostly seen as promotional. If we allow it here, than any obscure band/artist could add their own social media links on their articles too. See WP:ELNO #10 ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 17:44, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Skin bleaching
As seen here (regarding the Michael Jackson's health and appearance article) and here (regarding the Michael Jackson article), I reverted Akhiljaxxn on the skin bleaching aspect since it is a significant topic with regard to Michael Jackson's appearance. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:17, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * He actually had a skin deises which made him very self-conscious. So he did bleach the rest of himself so he wouldn't look weird and he was very sensitive to sunlight that is why he had a hat on or an umbrella. Goldenmagnolia6214 (talk) 14:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Flyer22 Reborn I didnt removed his changing appearence or  skin bleaching rumours.what i removed is  which Taraborrelli noted may have been a consequence of skin bleaching.how the randy taraborellis view become relevent here since he is not dermatologiest?.i've asked this to two doctors and both have same opinion.they told me "NO. No amount of bleach can turn u a vitiligo kind of white. we've studied mj's case in our studies, he used to be our case study".There is no study to proves that.if u google bleaching makes people vitiligo it shows the the wikipedia page of mj and his personal appearence.since wikipedia is a encyclopedida how we can agree on  which Taraborrelli noted may have been a consequence of skin bleaching this sentence?

Akhiljaxxn (talk) 17:07, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Akhiljaxxn, the fact that Jackson had vitiligo does not negate the possibility that he was likely skin-bleaching. It's not just J. Randy Taraborrelli stating this, just like it's not just J. Randy Taraborrelli stating that Jackson had numerous plastic surgery procedures done. You can view the plastic surgery aspect as rumors as well, but it doesn't negate that a number of plastic surgery experts are clear that Jackson had numerous plastic surgery procedures. In the case of vitiligo, experts note that vitiligo shows itself in blotches, while Jackson's entire body was really light; it does not appear that this was simply makeup. The Michael Jackson article, and the Michael Jackson's health and appearance article, do not state state that he did not have vitiligo. In fact, the Michael Jackson's health and appearance article is clear that he had it and that his condition was confirmed via the autopsy. So not only is this edit you made to that article (which I revered) not needed, it deletes a significant aspect regarding the media attention given to Jackson's appearance. Skin bleaching is covered in this article and in that article because it is a significant aspect regarding the media attention given to Jackson's appearance. And since the Michael Jackson's health and appearance article is specifically about Jackson's appearance, and the skin bleaching aspect is covered lower in the article, it belongs in the lead of that article. This is per WP:Lead. We are not going to delete/censor it simply because you and others don't like it. The same goes for the child sexual abuse claims regarding Jackson; you know, when it comes to editors who dislike this aspect being mentioned and/or try to censor it in some way.


 * I can't take your word on what you state two doctors have stated. I can go by what doctors in WP:Reliable sources, such as this one, state. It's included in the Michael Jackson's health and appearance article and it reports: When studying a photograph of Jackson taken at the time, [The reaction by Pamela Lipkin (a prominent plastic surgeon)] was to call it "the most unusual case of vitiligo I've ever seen." Although she said it was possible that Jackson started bleaching his skin because of the disease — in order to blend his natural darker tone with the lighter blotches that were appearing — she also said that a lighter skin seemed consistent with other changes that she believes Jackson made to his features. "When you look at the other features, the skin bleaching sort of goes along with what I think was his quest for beauty," she said. "So I have to wonder what came first? Vitiligo or lighter skin?"


 * And that is just one doctor. If there are WP:Reliable sources from dermatologists on this matter, then let's review those. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:00, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

With this edit (followup edits here and here), I added two additional sources to the Michael Jackson's health and appearance article to support the fact that it was widely suggested that Jackson was skin bleaching. Again, us mentioning that skin bleaching was discussed does not mean that it is a fact that he was skin bleaching. We are not reporting the skin bleaching aspect as something he was definitely doing. Also, in the Vitiligo article, there is a currently a De-pigmenting section, which makes it clear that certain treatments for vitiligo can lighten the skin. Judging by this article and the Michael Jackson's health and appearance article, Jackson was using some or all of those treatments, which also explain his lighter skin tone not solely being due to vitiligo and makeup. With this edit, I trimmed a bit of the Taraborrelli commentary in the Michael Jackson article; this is because it's covered in the main article about Jackson's appearance and the claim that skin bleaching caused the vitiligo is dubious. I object to this aforementioned edit you made because, in addition to removing the skin bleaching aspect, it unnecessarily mentions Taraborrelli in the lead and starts off making it sound like it's only according to Taraborrelli that Jackson had vitiligo...before stating that his autopsy confirmed it. We don't need to mention that in the lead. All we need to state is that Jackson had vitiligo and that his lighter skin was also speculated to be partly due to skin bleaching. Plus, the end of the lead of that article mentions his death. The flow is better if his death is regulated to the end of that lead, not mentioned in two different parts of the lead. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Update: With this edit (followup edits here and here), I added some Jackson commentary on the skin bleaching claim for neutrality. As seen with this edit, I also added a bit to the lead of the Michael Jackson's health and appearance article. The rest is lower in that article. The lead is only meant to summarize, not go into further detail.

AFD
I've created two wikipedia pages bout mj. one is Michael Jackson impersonator and the other one is Cultural impact of Michael Jackson and now one elvis fans (his contributions says so) nominated these pages for afd Articles for deletion/Michael Jackson impersonator, Articles for deletion/Cultural impact of Michael Jackson .Please give your opinion on this. Thanks.Akhiljaxxn (talk) 13:37, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Lead sentence format
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 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Currently, the lead sentence states: "Michael Joseph Jackson[1][2] (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009) was an American singer, songwriter, record producer, dancer, actor, and philanthropist.[3][4][5]" This sentence is overwrought. I would like to discuss how to craft a better lead sentence per the MOS guidelines MOS:LEADSENTENCE and MOS:BLPLEAD.

This is how he was described in the NYT article on his death: "For his legions of fans, he was the Peter Pan of pop music: the little boy who refused to grow up. But on the verge of another attempted comeback, he is suddenly gone, this time for good. Michael Jackson, whose quintessentially American tale of celebrity and excess took him from musical boy wonder to global pop superstar to sad figure haunted by lawsuits, paparazzi and failed plastic surgery, was pronounced dead on Thursday afternoon at U.C.L.A. Medical Center after arriving in a coma, a city official said. Mr. Jackson was 50, having spent 40 of those years in the public eye he loved.

The singer was rushed to the hospital, a six-minute drive from the rented Holmby Hills home in which he was living, shortly after noon by paramedics for the Los Angeles Fire Department. A hospital spokesman would not confirm reports of cardiac arrest. He was pronounced dead at 2:26 pm. As with Elvis Presley or the Beatles, it is impossible to calculate the full effect Mr. Jackson had on the world of music. At the height of his career, he was indisputably the biggest star in the world; he has sold more than 750 million albums."

How he is referred to in obituaries from other reliable sources:
 * The legendary singer passes away aged 50
 * Michael Jackson, the self-styled King of Pop, who has died suddenly aged 50 after being taken to hospital in Los Angeles, was music royalty – one of its biggest stars and holder, for Thriller, of the record for the best-selling album in history.
 * Michael Jackson, defined in equal parts as the world's greatest entertainer and perhaps its most enigmatic figure, was about to attempt one of the greatest comebacks of all time.
 * Michael Jackson, the singer, songwriter and dancer who earned the title “King of Pop” in a career that reached unprecedented peaks of sales and attention, died Thursday, a Los Angeles city official said.
 * Long May He Reign: Michael Jackson, the ‘King of Pop’

I propose the following lead paragraph: "Michael Joseph Jackson[1][2] (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009) was an American singer, songwriter, and dancer.  Known as the "King of Pop", he was likely the most popular entertainer in the world at the time of his death. His contributions to music, dance, and fashion along with his publicized personal life made him a global figure in popular culture for over four decades."

Suggestions?

LK (talk) 03:29, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I think that's an improvement. You might even be able to get away with just describing him as an "entertainer", but I don't know if that's too far. Popcornduff (talk) 03:44, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "Entertainer" is too vague; it would be much better to use the more specific term "singer". Dancer certainly could go in as well, possibly record producer given his MJJ Music label and producing/co-producing various tracks he recorded under Epic Records. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 04:34, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "he was likely the most popular entertainer in the world at the time of his death." This doesn't belong here. Just state "Known as the "King of Pop", his contributions to music, dance, and fashion, along with his publicized personal life, made him a global figure in popular culture for over four decades." ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 05:16, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Why not? Most of the obituaries state something along those lines when describing him. It is an important aspect of who he was. LK (talk) 07:10, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "Likely" is just bad writing. Either make it a fact, collected from various reliable sources, or omit it. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 00:12, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I propose the following lead paragraph Michael Joseph Jackson[1][2] (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009) was an American singer, songwriter, record producer, dancer, actor,philanthropist. and considered as one of the most successfull and influential entertainers of all time[3][4][5].Known as The King of Pop,[6][7][8][9] his contributions to music, dance, and fashion[10][11][12] along with his publicized personal life made him a global figure in popular culture for over four decades. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 11:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Those descriptors are excessive. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:15, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Flyer22 Reborn Those?? Akhiljaxxn (talk) 02:33, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The ones under discussion, which are also currently a part of the lead sentence. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 11:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm going to start a RfC, as it seems we're not reaching consensus. LK (talk) 04:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Lead sentence
WP:BLPLEAD states "The lead sentence should describe the person as he or she is commonly described in reliable sources." Referring to how Michael Jackson was described by the reliable sources (as quoted above), what should the lead sentence (or lead paragraph) state? Note also that WP:LEADSENTENCE states: "Try to not overload the first sentence by describing everything notable about the subject. Instead use the first sentence to introduce the topic, and then spread the relevant information out over the entire lead." LK (talk) 04:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Survey

 * I think this RFC was unnecessary. The discussion above didn't seem to garner much opposition, and just trailed off. I've boldly made the change you suggested - let's see if anyone opposes it now. Popcornduff (talk) 06:29, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree that an RFC is unnecessary. The only removal I object to is producer per my above comments. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 13:13, 18 July 2017 (UTC) After further thought and reading Bluesatellite's rationale, I'm fine with the change. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 03:34, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Michael, Madonna and Mariah are all producer, but neither is commonly known as producer. Pharell Williams is an example of a singer who is also commonly known as a producer. I think a better description of Michael is a singer, songwriter, and dancer (Songwriters Hall of Fame and Dance Hall of Fame would agree with me). Keep all the less notable occupations on the infobox and categories. Bluesatellite (talk) 22:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ho hum; per Popcornduff. -The Gnome (talk) 08:12, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * no problems, L3X1 (distænt write)   )evidence(  01:27, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Huh? The current lead at this writing is fine. Problem?(summoned by bot) Coretheapple (talk) 00:35, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I support the lead and infobox as it currently stands - leaving philanthropist and producer out since that is not what he is well known for. Meatsgains (talk) 14:42, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion
What about the recent addition of "philanthropist" to the lead sentence? Personally, I feel it's inappropriate, but how do people feel about it? LK (talk) 07:49, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It's too much. Popcornduff (talk) 09:46, 22 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wig
Should the death section mention Jackson's autopsy revealed he was almost completely bald and wore a wig? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5681155/Michael-Jackson-emaciated-and-bald-with-only-pills-in-his-stomach-leaked-autopsy-report.html (Gysi1 (talk) 17:58, 15 August 2017 (UTC))
 * Yep. Popcornduff (talk) 18:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2017
I'd be glad if you could, please, change the current summary of Mr. Jackson's article by re-posting the "record producer" title as one of Mr. Jackson's occupations, while also adding the status of musician and philantropist, for i believe it to be important for viewers to get a full view of Mr. Jackson's occupations and ethic work to the music business and popular culture as a hole. Rendevouz880 (talk) 03:55, 11 September 2017 (UTC)


 * per consensus at the Talk:Michael Jackson/Archive 31 thread. <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 04:06, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

TFA rerun
Any objections to throwing this article into the pile of potential TFA reruns for this year and next? Any cleanup needed? If it helps, here's a list of 2 dubious links. - Dank (push to talk) 23:56, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It would be nice to have this on the main page for his 60th birthday on August 29, 2018, but it might need some reviewing and touching up beforehand, especially since lots of change has taken place since it was last featured on the front page for his first deathday on June 25, 2010 and promoted to FA nearly 2 years before that. <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 00:36, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to help. - Dank (push to talk) 01:21, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That's very reassuring :) <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 04:07, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Lead image
With this edit, Ryan1783 changed File:Michael Jackson in 1988.jpg to File:Michael Jackson (1988).jpg. I feel that the previous image, showing Jackson performing, is the better lead image; it's not as focused on his face, but it captures the overall essence of the topic. The latter, cheesing image of Jackson just seems lackluster as a lead image, in my opinion. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

That's why I reverted. Thoughts? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:05, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I hadn't noticed the recent replacement of the photo you restored. Definitely, the photo you restored is far superior. Good call. Dr.   K.  05:12, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I find personally this image File:Michael Jackson in 1988.jpg better than the other. AlfaRocket (talk) 12:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Same, the one from the Bad Tour concert is far, far better. The other is perfect for a section in the article but not the lead image. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 15:20, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2017
Add links to Paris Jackson (actress) from mentions in this article. 86.191.58.194 (talk) 23:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — nihlus kryik   ( talk ) 00:21, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Thanks for the rapid response. 86.191.58.194 (talk) 02:20, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2017
Supreme0123 (talk) 06:09, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2017
Michael Jackson played percussion according to records Supreme0123 (talk) 06:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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Living with Michael Jackson
Living with Michael Jackson aired in February ... not in March ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB19:82D2:F000:4527:4AA:4954:D5A1 (talk) 16:52, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2017
Michael Jackson played percussion Rocker0123 (talk) 07:20, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * So what changes you want be made now? &thinsp;&mdash; Ammarpad (talk) 11:57, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Extended confirmed protected
On inspecting recent contributions to this article, I've taken the initiative to place it on extended confirmed protection - I believe this will help constructive editing. I will listen to your views on this - please ping me or contact me through my talk page. Thank you. Samsara 07:31, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 November 2017
His name was "Michael Joe Jackson". "Michael Joseph Jackson" should be removed and changed for "Michael Joe Jackson". See his passports: http://forums.horsecity.com/topic/47048033-michael-jackson-is-not-dead/

His driver license: http://michaeljacksonsmagicmystery.blogspot.com.co/2010/03/middle-name.html

Legal documents: https://bitsofbooksblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/12/1981-nambla-britishpedigree/

Contracts: https://archive.is/1ACTY/04aac94a92dfd44f43ee1d68aaf84bc200386133.jpg

George777Jackson (talk) 19:52, 18 November 2017 (UTC) George777Jackson (talk) 19:52, 18 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Those first three links cannot be used since forums and user-generated blogs aren't valid sources when they easily could've been fabricated. As for the last link, it's reflecting an alternate legal name he used. This doesn't mean that the "Joseph" should be removed (which is what he was born with anyway). <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 20:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 November 2017
Change 'Michael Joseph Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009) was an American singer, songwriter and dancer' to 'Michael Joseph Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009) was an American singer, songwriter, dancer and philanthropist.' Chronicle Of Philanthropist Karthik.vignesh (talk) 04:33, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * per Talk:Michael Jackson/Archive 31. <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 04:54, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Statement
Hello. I don't wanna make a war edit. So, I will try to find the solution here :).


 * I changed something in the first paragraph, but was reverted by.
 * I don't found anything (at least if I missed) in Rolling Stone's reference and the other one, doesn't have a link. Would be better than a quote btw.
 * But the most important thing, is.. the statement: "the best-selling music artist at the time of his death". Probably we could have reliable references about it. And is regarding to the "living best-selling artist". But is complete unnecesary.. if not, we can add the best-selling artist (alive) or something like that. Are hyperbolic examples. Simple is better. "One of the most/best selling in music history/all-time..."

Regards, Chrishonduras  ( Diskussion ) 03:04, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There's nothing "hyperbolic" about simply reporting what reliable sources say. Rolling Stone, which is a reliable source, says "in 2009 Jackson was the biggest-selling artist in the world." I don't see what is inappropriate about mentioning that in the lede.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:21, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


 * That's what I'm trying to avoid. It's ambiguous too. "the biggest-selling artist in the world" (in all 2009). Also, is not neccesary mention who is currently the best-selling artist alive. All those paraphrase are unnecesary. Maybe in Legacy section. But is better simple in lead. I hope that other users can give opinions. Regards, Chrishonduras  ( Diskussion ) 21:32, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, the second source (Lewis Jones) doesn't support the statement of being best-selling in 2009. However, it brings up a point mentioned later but probably should be higher up in the lead, which is that Thriller is the best-selling album of all time. Source is both Lewis James and Guinness World Book of Records. (First time for me to talk on wikipedia so please excuse any guidelines i might've missed unintentionally). Paz01 (talk) 14:59, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 February 2018
49.192.15.138 (talk) 08:02, 15 February 2018 (UTC) sorry but I realised some mistakes with this so I was hoping I change it please:)
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Extended confirmation
Why is this extended protected Truther1515 (talk) 22:19, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Because many users without extended confirmation had repeatedly disrupted the article to the point where it wasn't worth having anything less for this page. <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 02:04, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Death
did Michael Jackson die — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.139.50.194 (talk) 15:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course he did; that's common knowledge <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 16:25, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Actor
He must have been an actor too, wasn't he? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clrichey (talk • contribs) 22:04, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Erroneous Citation
Quote in legacy section not in cited article -- "In 2007, Jackson said: 'Music has been my outlet, my gift to all of the lovers in this world. Through it, my music, I know I will live forever.'" 205.153.36.170 (talk) 06:34, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

No link to Conrad Murray
Conrad Murray has his own Wikipedia entry. At first mention of his name there should be a Conrad Murray link to it. 24.130.68.55 (talk) 20:30, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


 * ✅ -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 20:35, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Talk
@Dlohcierekim - you can see no one discussed anything, so what was accomplished? Bleucheeses (talk) 00:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 May 2018
Asking to edit this article. Bleucheeses (talk) 05:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC) Bleucheeses (talk) 05:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This article is protected from editing due to a history of disruptive editing, if you want to improve this article, then make an edit request with the specific change you want to make in the format: "Please change X to Y", providing reliable sources to support your proposed edit. Iffy★Chat -- 12:50, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Iffy, Once on tour Jackson's heel came loose from the floor; subsequently the patent for it was re-designed. Also (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Jackson&diff=843287254&oldid=843287117).

Read below also as to how no one is interested in talking on here until I or someone else does something. This proves people are just reacting. Bleucheeses (talk) 00:36, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  .   spinten do    02:43, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Typical, the only time people talk on here is when someone edits. Alright, I am going to go ahead and edit if people aren't talking. Bleucheeses (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * spin, what are you talking about. I addressed Iffy and am waiting for their reply Bleucheeses (talk) 09:39, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Padlock-blue-open.svg Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. LittlePuppers (talk) 19:07, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Background/Featured Vocal Credits for Michael Jackson
The following edit for the "1975–1981: Move to Epic and Off the Wall" section may be useful:

During this period, Michael Jackson also sang background or feature vocals on songs for artists including Kenny Loggins, Carole Bayer Sager, Minnie Riperton, Dave Mason, and Kenny Rogers.

Traditional citations may not be applicable for this information, but proof of accuracy exists in credits for the following songs:

"Who's Right, Who's Wrong" - Kenny Loggins (1979), "Just Friends" - Carole Bayer Sager (1981), "I'm In Love Again" - Minnie Riperton (1980), "Save Me" - Dave Mason (1980), "Goin' Back To Alabama" - Kenny Rogers (1981).

Kamran E. Mian (talk) 23:14, 25 June 2018 (UTC)Kamran E. Mian 6-25-18

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 July 2018
MichaelBrady127 (talk) 21:16, 6 July 2018 (UTC) I want to edit this page because It has some wrong information about Michael Jackson can you please let me edit this page and I promise I won't delete this page!
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2018

 * Additional notes: Responses on this talk page are inadequate or non-existent. I am having to use this request method again. I fully supplied the two edits I feel are necessary and there may be a few minor edits I didn't find or see yet that could be made. If I don't get a reply I will put the two edits up. Bleucheeses (talk) 12:55, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 July 2018
MichaelBrady127 (talk) 19:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC) Please let me edit this page because some of the things are wrong so I need to update them!
 * The request must be of the form "please change X to Y".--Moxy (talk) 19:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 July 2018 (Michael Jackson)
Hello,

My username is MichaelBrady127 so I have a quick question so Can you please let me edit Michael Jackson's Wikipedia page because there is something wrong written on the page so I don't want the king of pop's page to have wrong facts about him and his family. MichaelBrady127 (talk) 21:26, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 July 2018
Hello,

My username is MichaelBrady127 so I have a quick question so Can you please let me edit Michael Jackson's Wikipedia page because there is something wrong written on the page so I don't want the king of pop's page to have wrong facts about him and his family. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson

Thank You, MichaelBrady127 (MichaelBrady127 (talk) 03:00, 17 July 2018 (UTC)) MichaelBrady127 (talk) 03:00, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. @MichaelBrady127: No, you may not edit the page. If there is a correction that needs to be made, tell us here, and tell us what reliable source supports the change. Then an experienced editor will make the change for you, if it complies with policy. —C.Fred (talk) 03:53, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

First child accuser
In the opening summary, it is said that Jackson’s first child accuser committed suicide many years later. This should be clarified as it was the boy’s father, Evan Chandler who committed suicide and was the actual accuser, not the boy, Jordan Chandler. The article implies it was the child who did and feigns an aura of guilt over the situation. Intersting (talk) 03:24, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It is a little ambiguous and moreover, it seems unnecessary detail, so I have removed it. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:30, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Michael Jackson singles discography
I've currently opened a peer review for Michael Jackson singles discography.I think the article meets the FL criteria and I'm thinking about nominating it as a FL candidate. It would be helpful if other editors could comment on the article and/or offer suggestions, etc. Thanks. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 05:24, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Controversies section
One would expect there'd be a controversies section. HardeeHar (talk) 09:02, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Controversy sections are generally a bad idea (more at WP:CRITS), they tend to act like shit-magnets. The general WP-philosophy is that if a "controversy" should be mentioned, it should not be singled out to a separate section, it should be in the right place in the article per chronology or topic or whatever. No controversy-section can very well be a sign that an article like this has some quality.


 * If there's stuff you think belongs that is not in for example Michael_Jackson and it's subarticles, Health and appearance of Michael Jackson, Bubbles or whatever, get the sources and WP:BOLDly add them, or, if you think those edits would be... controversial... perhaps discuss them first. Consider though that one of the many subarticles may be a better place. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:40, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

"Goodbye Charlie" - (1964.)
I just finished viewing the movie via, "FXM Retro", via, "DirecTV". The end credits list Michael Jackson as having played, "Himself", and that surprised me, as I didn't notice any such scene or scenes, in which that might've occurred. The movie's article doesn't mention him, and I didn't see the movie mentioned in his article.

Is it the same person? If so, why isn't he mentioned there, and the movie not mentioned here? If it is him, then shouldn't both articles be updated? LeoStarDragon1 (talk) 12:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)


 * It is not the same person. It is an English actor born in 1934. Here is his IMDb page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0413859/?ref_=tt_cl_t12 - Aphasia83 (talk) 17:31, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 October 2018
208.54.87.140 (talk) 08:11, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
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Instruments
It only meantions Vocals. When in fact he has been credited as playing instruments like guitar. - Awardmaniac (talk) 12:44, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The instruments field is for the main instruments the musician is known for only. Popcornduff (talk) 12:49, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok. I see. - Awardmaniac (talk) 12:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Philanthropist
This should be added in the lead sentance. Since he has won countless awards and has also has his name on the Guinness Book World Records for this very thing along with many other contributions he has done for humanity and so on. - Awardmaniac (talk) 12:53, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * All that is covered in the lead. But Michael Jackson isn't primarily known for being a philanthropist, and we don't want to make the first sentence bloated, so this information isn't appropriate for the lead sentence. Popcornduff (talk) 12:58, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Why is this one of the very few pages that can't be edited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keditz (talk • contribs) 16:39, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

A Mischaracterization
The summary statement at the end of the opening paragraph, "made him a global figure in popular culture for over four decades" ((what happened to the italics in wiki edits?)) is a bit of an overreached statement. While the Jackson 5 were known, along with him as the leader, in his youth, possibly even in some places globally, Michael Jackson was not known globally in Asia or even Africa (or probably Latin America) until the 1980s when his airplay (and the technology of U.S. airplay and the music industry) takes on a new dimension. This is sheer exaggeration and a rewriting of reality. It is pure mischaracterization. Stevenmitchell (talk) 10:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 November 2018
A well-used nickname given to Jackson by his brothers was 'Hae Chan', meaning 'dance genius' in Latin. 2A02:C7F:8406:A00:DD5:2A0A:D9F:AC3E (talk) 16:18, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
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