Talk:Michael Learns to Rock

Citation needed?
I can see the tag being used frivolously by someone as if to show he's been doing a diligent job at supervising the page in line with wikipedia's plolicies. Sample this : "According to their website and communication with fans on facebook, they are currently working on their next album", but apparently someone had the rare wisdom to tag it with [citation needed]. So how do I get a citation to something that's posted on their website? Can't someone who really wants 'verifiable' evidence just go and check out the official website of the band, since I have clearly mentioned it in the concerned line and also the link for the website appears in the 'External Links' section at the bottom of the page? This is what I call gross misuse of the [citation needed] feature. ~AKP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.118.39 (talk) 18:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

NPOV dispute
Sorry, I meant *Reaching #1 in Thailand and not in China -AKP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.117.158.37 (talk) 10:16, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I have added some references to support that MLTR are/were a major force in the Asian music market which includes an article from the Billboard magazine; a reference about one of their latest singles reaching No.1 in China, and a page listing out the sales figures for their individual studio albums. The last one, I'm not sure if it is verifiable, but that was the closest to some concrete figures I could get on the net. -AKP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.117.158.37 (talk) 10:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

What can the orginal writer do when the orginal pages(or reference page if you may) where the phrases pointed out by you, appeared have long since been removed or are no longer available to people except for in a few countries? To come straight to the point, the "MLTR music has been described..." was from the EMI record label's page, which sadly is no longer available to internet users outside of the UK and USA. And maybe, it's OK to write superlatively about the band when due to circumstances and reasons and prejudices, unknown and unfounded, a fairly good band is relegated to the sidelines whereas many perceived inferior artists are glorified through flimsy publicity campaigns and highly exalting reviews by (who knows?) their closet admirers who just happen to have a way with words. However, I'm trying to edit the article, its style and content and make it as unbiased as possible, incorporating as many references as possible for me to get on the net. AKP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.117.130.99 (talk) 14:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

In light of the comments below, we should start an official NPOV dispute.

The majority of the article is taken from the band's fan website under the section "The Band" http://www.mltr.dk/

There are no references for anything including claims such as:

"MLTR's music has been described as a Scandinavian glow...."

"millions of fans around the globe."

"While struggling to curb piracy".

"MLTR still had a firm foothold atop hitlists in the Asia"

"The band did well again, boosting their reputation with hits such as..."

"MLTR was chosen as the headliner for the "Celebrate Hong Kong" concert "

The article has many partial and emotive terms. I have italicised the particularly offending words.

"It's precisely the perfect balance"

"forming the compelling sound of the band"

"They frantically toured Denmark"

"MLTR squeezed in some time"

There is frequent and unjustified use of the word "hit" where "track" or "song" would be more appropriate.

-HuBmaN!!!! 17:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added the "inappropriate tone" infobox there, although a rewrite may be needed.

23:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I just surfed to this page and wow, the band's description seems to be (poorly) written by a fanatical follower of MLTR. The group is definitely good, but this type of pandering actually demeans the group's musical talent through empty words and platitudes. I tried to edit it, but there was too much that needed changing and I finally decided the best way is to wipe it clean and start over. Any takers?

Bias Content
In my humble, opinion, this article reads much more like a press release or, worse, a die-hard fan's chronicling of this band's history. In short, I am disputing the neutrality of this article. In fact, I would imagine that should the band happen to see this article themselves they'd be quite embarassed...

Phrases/sentences I found to be particularly blatant in being subjective and/or not appropriate for an encyclopeadic entry:

"MLTR's music has been described as a Scandinavian glow that meets the international pop song..." "It's precisely the perfect balance of the two elements described above that has been instrumental in forming the compelling sound of the band and won MLTR millions of fans around the globe."

"The whole story begins quite modestly..." "All three are huge music fans who were virtually fed the history of pop and rock with their mother's milk" "MLTR scores a resounding victory" "Andersen immediately falls for the talent radiating out of this sparkling young quartet."

"... the set contains the hit ballad... that... secures MLTR the pole position on the Danish album-sales chart." "The song travels much faster than the band, and without MLTR even being there, it tops the charts..." "they frantically tour..." "their presence is a follow-up force to smashing successes the debut album has already achieved."

"Once again, it's the knack for creating the classic ballad that generates success."

What the hell, I'm sick of quoting, since it seems like I'm quoting every other sentence. More importantly, I'm sick of reading this... ode, this love song, if you will. I'm actually having a visceral reaction to the absolutely unadulterated adoration its writer has infused into the prose. Please, please please someone do something about this. Thanks. --218.166.60.39

I can only edit some, but almost the entire article was written in present tense when the events occured some 10 years ago, it's totally horrendous English. I edited some bias sentences, but this page seriously need cleanup. Btw, why does the original writer likes to call Asia the "Far East"? 1nertia 12:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I absolutely agree. This article is HORRENDOUS! Like most of the people who've written on this discussion page, I think the best way to go would be to delete the whole thing and start over...Dagari 08:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

C'mon Guys - you create an "encyclopedia" that is to be "self written" - that is, written by anyone who has knowledge of a particular subject - then you blast them for not writing in the right style? I'm sorry but YOU opened the door when you decided to let people contribute.

Whoever wrote the MLTR article probably wasn't much of a writer - and so "borrowed" from the fan site - at least people have some idea about MLTR - if you don't like it - the re-write it yourselves in whatever "correct" style you think it should have - but don't just sit around and bitch about it!

just my 2 cents

Tito

BTW - I'd like to know where their strange name, too!

Michael?
Why the name Michael, and why such a strange name for a grp? =Nichalp  «Talk»=  18:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, it's been cleaned up and information about how they got the name is supplied. Anything else?

MisterJQ

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