Talk:Microsoft Office/Archive 3

Date format
I am a bit surprised that this article uses DMY date formats and has been tagged with use dmy dates. Microsoft is an American-made product, and most of its users are American. There is already a use mdy dates on top of pages including Microsoft, Microsoft Windows Xbox, and even Microsoft Surface. Should this apply to all Microsoft and Microsoft-owned products whatsoever? Does WP:MSFT have any policy regarding this? &#60;&#60;&#60; SOME GADGET GEEK &#62;&#62;&#62; (talk) 19:42, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello,


 * You are woefully misinformed. First, Microsoft sells products to 250 countries and it has more users in China than the rest of the world combined. Second, per WP:DATESRET, a connection to US is not enough; It requires a Strong connection. But Microsoft (contrary to Apple) has so far made money by avoiding such a strong connect. (Apple is the reverse. Apple has strong ties to US. Outside US, there are no Apple fans.) Finally, the subject here is not Microsoft at all. The subject is Microsoft Office, which as I said, is sold to 250 countries in the world.


 * We've had this kind of discussions in the past about different Microsoft subjects and we had no consensus that Microsoft or its products has Strong ties to US. Ties, yes, strong ties, no.


 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 13:13, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation. Just wondering where WP:MSFT previously discussed this policy? &#60;&#60;&#60; SOME GADGET GEEK &#62;&#62;&#62; (talk) 18:55, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi again. WP:MSFT didn't even exist at the time. But we discussed in various places like MedCab page for Internet Explorer, talk pages of Windows 8 (or was it 8.1?) etc. There were more, I am sure. On the other hand, you can always start the WP:MSFT discussion yourself, but there really doesn't need to be a discussion.
 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 06:39, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

History - dates
Much of the history has the versions listed. Many have no release dates. This should be included. --Brady Shea (talk) 15:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC) It is kind of hard to find exact dates because of the fact that take for instance Windows 8.1, it will say it came out in one date but the date may have been from when it was first out in Preview. But that is just my opinion. Dre~ (talk) 00:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Sway is incorrectly displayed on this page
On this line: "Sway[edit] Main article: Office Sway Microsoft Sway is a presentation app that allows users to create an interactive website combining text, images, and other media. Sway was originally released in August 2015. Sway is tied with the user's Microsoft account, where the Sways that the user creates are stored. Sway is available as a web app or mobile app and is included with Windows 10 Mobile."

As of October 9th, 2016 there is no Mobile app or that is included with Windows 10 Mobile. The only Mobile app for Sway is on iOS and possibly Android. Sway is included in Windows 10 (PC version or PC/tablet) But Windows 10 Mobile has not gotten the sway app since Sway was first introduced in 2015. I am going to fix this right now. Dre~ (talk) 01:01, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Office Mobile really out of date (as in information)
Office Mobile includes the scaled-down and touch-optimised versions of Word, Excel and PowerPoint. Other Office applications such as OneNote, Lync and Outlook are available as standalone apps.[12] Office Mobile enables users to save and access documents on OneDrive, OneDrive for Business, and SharePoint. Additionally, the Windows Phone version also allows users to save files locally on the device. According to Microsoft, Office Mobile for iPhone and Android are "very similar" to each other, whereas the Windows Phone version provides a "richer, more integrated experience".[13] Office Mobile for iPhone was released on 14 June 2013 in the United States.[14] Support for 135 markets and 27 languages was rolled out over a few days.[15] It requires iOS 8 or later.[16] Although the app also works on iPad devices, excluding the first generation, it is designed for a small screen.[14] Office Mobile was released for Android phones on 31 July 2013 in the United States. Support for 117 markets and 33 languages was added gradually over several weeks.[13] It is supported on Android 4.0 and later.[17] Office Mobile for both iPhone and Android, available for free from the App Store and Google Play Store respectively, initially required a qualifying Office 365 subscription to activate, but in March 2014, with the release of Office for iPad, the apps were updated making them fully free for home use, although a subscription is still required for business use.[18][19][20][21] On 27 March 2014, Microsoft released Word, Excel and PowerPoint for iPad. On 6 November 2014, Microsoft released updated versions of Word, Excel and PowerPoint for iPhone.[22] On 29 January 2015, Microsoft released Word, Excel and PowerPoint for Android tablets. On 24 June 2015, Microsoft released updated versions of Word, Excel and PowerPoint for Android phones.[23] In January 2015, Microsoft unveiled updated universal app versions of the Office applications for Windows 10 devices—including tablets and smartphones—that are based upon the previously released Android and iOS apps.[24][25]

Here are my things I found of this page: 1, Scaled down is technically true but Microsoft is making these apps a more fully featured editors. 2, Is the whole apps for iPhone true or did they recently change it to where if the screen is bigger than 10 inches you must have an Office 365 Subscription? 3, PowerPoint should be as typed before you. 4, That is correct but there is nothing more talked about the UWP versions of Office. It's missing say some features are Office 356 only on Windows 10 Mobile or devices smaller than 10" or if on a PC you must have Office 365 that has a screen larger than 10". Or that the UWP versions require Windows 10 Devices that are version 10240 or up? Or that Phones can use Continuum as a feature to run Office as in a desktop scenario. Thank you. Dre~ (talk) 01:19, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Comparison to competitors, market share, etc
I would expect to find mention of the alternatives and how Office is faring in relation to them. Alas, I do not wish to write it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.48.102 (talk) 23:14, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Merge Discussion for Mac Section Reply Suggestion
Whoever put the template there didn't actually create a talk section, so I'm going to.

Also, I kind of think it should be the other way around; the other article should be merged with this one. I don't really see why the same software should have two different pages for its different platforms. goose121 (talk) 21:51, 10 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree. The Microsoft Office for Mac page was created today, but I think it should just redirect here, as it did before. The few paragraphs on Windows vs. Mac can just stay in this page. All the intricate details about the different versions are already in separate articles, e.g. Microsoft Office 2010 and Microsoft Office for Mac 2011. Lonaowna (talk) 21:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The reason that I split the article, and that I'd prefer to see it that way, is because there are many significant differences between the Windows and Mac versions that lead me to believe that a split would make the content sharing more effective. The "Mac version" section includes a stub about Office v. X, which might have a better chance at expansion if posted on a Mac-only article compared to the main MS Office article. From 98 to 2011, the Mac versions had a different numbering and release pattern compared to the Windows versions. For 2016, I can understand that that version has one article only, but the rest would be better on their own page. --True Tech Talk Time (talk) 01:09, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that the Windows/Mac (especially the older) versions differ considerably, but I don't see we need a new article to explain that. There are already different articles for the specific releases (except for 2016, because the difference is much smaller, as you said), and on those pages there also is the possibility to compare them with other-plaform versions. About version X, I don't know much about it, but it looks to me as if it could use its own separate article. Lonaowna (talk) 10:50, 11 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree too. —Codename Lisa (talk) 07:27, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Support - Extended vs Mainstream
these 2 'types' of support are clearly delineated in the table in the Versions section, but i can find no details on what each type entails and/or how they differ. (other than the obvious -- the dates presented in that table.)

it seems this would be good info to include somewhere. i know i searched for more info on it (searched for the 2 words on the page - but found no descriptions/details), and others might also find it useful.

i've no time today to further research it and add the info here, but maybe someone just knows and can add it quickly.Colbey84 (talk) 20:12, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi.
 * Here is the difference: During the mainstream support phase a product is eligible for bug fixes and feature updates, even though Microsoft has never released such a thing to date. During extended phase the product is not eligible for such things.
 * Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 04:13, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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Timeline of Microsoft Office for Windows and Timeline of Microsoft Office for Mac at TfD
Hello

I'd like to inform everyone that I have created a topic to discuss the fate of Timeline of Microsoft Office for Windows and Timeline of Microsoft Office for Mac at: "" Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Apache OpenOffice
Hi, there. I invite everyone to participate in the polite ongoing discussion. --Entalpia2 (talk) 14:46, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

The discussion is at Talk:Apache OpenOffice. --Entalpia2 (talk) 21:25, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Outdated screenshot of Office for Windows
The page still shows screenshots of Office 2016, although Office 2019 has been released. Change the screenshot immediately to the one found on Microsoft Office 2019 by User:PhilipTerryGraham.

John Doe 09:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.56.58.155 (talk)

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Office 2019 for Mac is available (since Sept, 28 2018)
I noted that Office 2019 for Mac is available to buy, it is posible to change "stable release" for Mac to 2019 version?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2018/09/24/office-2019-is-now-available-for-windows-and-mac/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliversl (talk • contribs) 16:10, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Regarding my recent revert
Accidentally clicked Enter before finishing it. Again. Anyway:
 * (1) Office 365 is probably the most common nowadays, but perpetual versions are still widely used
 * (2) I don't see why just because the Mac edition is called Microsoft Office for Mac then the Windows version has to be labeled as "Microsoft Office (for Windows)"; people already get it from the fact that only Windows is listed under the operating system field.
 * (3) yes, the Mac version was apparently released before the Windows version, but the Windows version is by far the most known and used version. --Sek-2 (talk) 12:27, 30 August 2019 (UTC)