Talk:Midland Adventist Academy

Infobox revert
Please explain why the Infobox School conversion was reverted. Pairadox 03:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you see how you left the page when you deleted the current box? There is no reason to revert back to Infobox School when the current box is adequate for the information included inside the box. The regular Infobox does not display the items in the same form. If its okay with you, it would be better left in current form. Elunicocarlitos 09:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course I saw what it looked like; I checked it every step of the way, in fact, with the "Show preview" button, to make sure that it looked correct. Infoboxes exist to present similar infomation in a uniform format across articles; they were created to reduce individualization. There should be a compelling reason NOT to use the infobox other than WP:ILIKEIT. I'm willing to be convinced, but I haven't seen a reason to discard it yet. Pairadox 06:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Pairdox, what is the issue with the Infobox war you have started. You want to change the box to a disfunctional box with no regard to the page after you change it. Thats what people call vandalism! Have you taken the time to look at the page when you change the box. The informaiton is misplaced, distorted and disorganized. There is no reason to use your NEW version of the box when the current one is sufficient. If you want to put in work, i.e. research and add to the page be my guest, but to simple insert errors into the page because you can is ridiculous. My question to you is...Is there a reason, besides the fact that you just want to...that you need it changed??? Elunicocarlitos 12:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I left a reply here and there was no response. You also editing as both your IP and user name; you really need to sign in so the totality of your contribution history is apparent. Not doing so is considered a form of sockpuppetry and can result in your IP being blocked (as happened to User:Jebbrady). The infobox is not new, having been around since 2005 (long before I started editing). Please explain what you mean by "dysfunctional"; it is used in articles all over Wikipedia with no problem. The layout is standard, so I don't understand the complaint about "misplaced, distorted and disorganized." What errors have been introduced? The information is the same except for the contact info, which is discouraged by Wikipedia guidelines anyway. Please respond my previous post. Pairadox 08:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, if you have a connection to the Academy, you may have a Conflict of interest. You should review the guidelines for such circumstances and follow them. Pairadox 08:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I signed in. I didn't know there was a difference in IP address. I'm getting the hang of going back and forth with talk pages, etc. As far as what your response is...I'm confused. Why do you need to be convinced. What compelling information do you need except that there is not lines available for all the information. Is there a no address policy, then state that. If there are certain lines in the box that are illegal to post, state that. I WILL remove it as I have with all the other information that was deleted due to your input!


 * "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a forum for advertising or self-promotion, or a vanity press. As such, it should contain only material that complies with its content policies, and Wikipedians must place the interests of the encyclopedia first. Any editor who gives priority to outside interests may be subject to a conflict of interest."


 * What is my connection? I'm trying to be a nuetral editor! I am not advertising, self promoting, or building pages for vanity press. If you have a problem with the content, state that. Elunicocarlitos 10:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

As an outsider to this dispute, I would make a few point. First, there is generally nothing wrong with editing using an account and not having logged in as long as one is not banned, is not doing it to pretend to be different people and drum up imaginary support etc. People sometimes can't or don't want to log in for a multiple of reasons, and it is entirely acceptable. Pairadox, please assume good faith. There's no apparent (to me) reason that would suggest Elunicocarlitos have a COI. You have a content dispute, talk about it and sort it out, not start making accusation of other users.

Elunicocarlitos, Pairadox was right. There's a good reason we use infobox template in articles. It's to increase standardisation across articles so different page on the same subject would appear similar making it nicer for readers on the topic. The infobox Pairadox put in is the standard one for school, and it worked fine. There was actually nothing wrong with it when I look back to the old version. If it appears wonky to you, we can maybe see why and fix the infobox, so that it looks right for even more people. Let's not start a revert war over an infobox. KTC 10:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * For information, this is what the page with the infobox looks like to me. KTC 10:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, KTC. For the record, I did assume good faith. Because s/he created the page for a very small private school, was the sole contributor until I showed up, and was very possessive of the article, it's not unreasonable to wonder if s/he has a connection to the subject. I didn't state there was, I said that IF there was a connection then s/he MAY have a conflict of interest, and pointed her/him to the appropriate guidelines. COI is an almost obscure guideline so it's often overlooked; take a look at Biographies of living persons or the countless vanity pages that are created for proof of that. Pairadox 10:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh I know. The number of time I have pointed people to COI on the Help desk, tagged new pages for speedy deletion.... KTC 10:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW, I notice that s/he hasn't said there is no connection, merely that s/he is "not advertising, self promoting, or building pages for vanity press." Pairadox 10:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW, please note my comment on his/her user talk page regarding ownership. KTC 10:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Already noted. Would you comment on the enlarging of the school name in the template? It seems counter to the goal of presenting a uniform appearance across articles. I'd also like you thoughts on using the color boxes. I've not seen this in any other school article that I can recall (and I've been focusing on schools lately). I wonder why s/he removed the coordinates, when s/he put them on the page originally? Pairadox 11:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't have enlarge the school name locally myself, but that's only a minor cosmetic change. I have no comment on the colour boxes. The coordinate thing is a misunderstanding over the appearance of the coordinate at the top of the page as well as the infobox when one enter it in the infobox. KTC 11:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you KTC for your input. I understand the issues surrounding non-ownership. I wasn't attempting to own the page. I learned how to do the infobox from copying from other schools pages. So I assumed they were slight differences with content, not with programming languages. I am learning to navigate through this and it seemed like a personal attack from Pairadox because like s/he says its a small school with one person entering information. I am starting a project to include private schools from Kansas. If that is okay with Pairadox I would like to continue. I was starting with one, learning how to do it properly before moving on to the others. I don't understand the posting of "I notice that s/he hasn't said there is a connection..." What connection do you want there to be? Are you connected to a non-private school coalition? Why would I assume you were, because you were the only one bent on particular change...that seemed personal. I appreciate KTC because it seemed like you were trying to "help" me edit a wikipedia page properly? So I made additional changes, take a look...only minor cosmetic changes to the infobox Elunicocarlitos 11:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm going to change the font size on the school name in the infobox back. Maybe you can change it in the infobox template if you feel it's currently too small. This way, it'll go across not the school using the infobox, and not just this one. KTC 11:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm done with editing, I pass the torch on to you more able folks. KTC I would suggest for this page if you are going to continue editing it with Paradox to change the infobox from the general school one to the correct infobox labeled private school. There is information as indicated in prior messages of the lack of information from the infobox that kept being shoved into the article. When you note the correct infobox you can fill in the additional information I was talking about. Good luck 71.103.230.250 11:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Which presents exactly the same info, just in a different order. I'm currently asking around about merging some of the more obviously redundant school templates and expanding the available parameters in Infobox school. It's just silly to have dozens of different templates that present the same information in a different order. Pairadox 12:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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