Talk:Midsomer Murders

Cully is missing!

Anyone knows why Cully is missing from the characters list?[[User:MNR] — Preceding unsigned comment added by MNR (talk • contribs) 14:44, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Where was it filmed?

Anyone know exactly which villages have been used as locations? Graham 11:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Settings

Although the attempted murder was thwarted by Barnaby and Jones, the climactic action in "Death & Dust" (Episode 56, 8 May 2007) takes place outside Midsummer County, in 'Snowdonia', Wales. Filming took place in Nant Peris, North Wales, per midsomermurders.org episode guide, and the villain was arrested there for his heinous Midsomer County crimes. CherokeeKid, 12 Feb 2017 (UTC)

Midsomer Murders Magazine + DVD Collection

The website for the official Midsomer Murders DVD Collection & Magazine is http://www.midsomermurdersdvd.com

--J-- 05:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Transmitted

is that really the correct word for expressing the fact it was shown on television? sure it means that but it somehow doesn't really feel right in my opion. perhaps broadcasted would be better, but that isn't that good either. Boneyard 11:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I could be wrong here but I'm almost certain that in British English, transmitted is the correct term. In American English the word is broadcast (not broadcasted). Binabik80 00:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Broadcast and transmitted can be used interchangeably in British English when talking about radio and TV. PRL42 (talk) 11:56, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Broken links to episodes

Isn't it better if the links to the episode guide on Geocities are removed and replaced by a separate article on Wikipedia? The "Midsomer Murders site" seems to exceed its bandwidth constantly, so the links are basically broken. --Strangnet 17:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I have rerouted the first sesons links to www.tv.com rest will follow if accepted

zeven90 8:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Dates

about the air dates the 9th season was show a few weeks earlier in Sweden the in the UK. might want to change the dates, and add the last episode of the season that i saw yesterday on SVT(Swedish TV).

zeven90 22:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Number of countries sold to

There was no source for the quote 'the series has been sold to 222 countries and territories across the world'. Given that there are only 194 countries in the world, and around 67 territories according to http://www.infoplease.com/countries.html, an exact claim of 222 is possible, but seems suspect. I will change the main article to remove that figure pending identification of a source.

• Although the source cited for the figure of 204 countries exists and confirms the number, does the mere existence of such a source justify the inclusion of the statement without comment when it is so clearly in error? Shouldn't there be some more stringent requirement, like a second source or even a statement to the effect that the source appears to be in error? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.189.191 (talk) 08:03, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
  • "204 countries" is obviously an error - although we do not know if it should say "104" or any other given figure. As long as there is no reliable other source, we should remove the wrong number and replace it by, let's say "remarkable high number of countries". Ar, even better: As stated in the source, in 2004 "MM" was among the 3 most sold British TV-shows worldwide. 125.162.47.86 (talk) 07:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Comedy drama

I think to describe Midsomer Murders as a comedy is wrong. Yes, it has comedic moments, but they merely reflect real life. Most soaps, even EastEnders, have humour, Agatha Christie's Poirot has humour, especially in the early episodes. Even Upstairs, Downstairs has comedic moments, but to describe any of these as "comedy-drama/comedy-soap" would be incorrect. A "comedy" can't be something which merely shows the humour of real life. --UpDown 09:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

• I quite agree - Midsomer Murders is not a comedy. I'm a huge fan by the way - got all the DVDs....  :) Darth Doctrinus 08:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This is not a comedy although there are moments of gentle character-based comedy. This is a murder mystery series with a regional setting Sentinel68 (talk) 14:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Copyvio?

Is this page a copyright violation or did www.midsomermurders.net take their content word for word from Wikipedia ? (Comment added by IP 81.2.110.250)

Good question. I have moved this comment and given it a title so it doesn't get overlooked. Telsa (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

The IP person will have to be specific, what parts of this article?--UpDown 18:03, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I have had a look now, and wow. The "about" page and this article are basically the same, only sections moved about.

• WP lead (before the TOC), with the exception of two adjectives, a sentence split, and "various crimes that afflict midsomer" is their first paragraph.

• Midsomer Murders#Characters paragraph contents are their Main Characters contents. The characters are in a different order.

• Midsomer Murders#Style is their Midsomer Murders Style word for word, only Wikipedia has a proper cedilla on façade. WP has a "For example" sentence at the end. The other site does not.

• The Midsomer Murders#Production section is the second half of their introduction.

Now what? Telsa (talk) 18:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh that is copied from us, thats quite clear. Having watched this page for some time I can tell that. --UpDown 19:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Soundtrack

The signature tune, the waltz is by Shostakovich, somewhere on my computer I have the music. I think he had called it Jazz Waltz, but in the original the phrases are the other way round, i.e. faster part second. I find it peculiar, that the 'Reilly. Ace of Spies' series also used a Shostakovich theme without ever acknowledging it. What's it with the Brits here? Sure, the Soviet Union had no copyright protection for a long time, but is that a reason to not mention where the theme comes from? 121.209.52.14 (talk) 07:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The tune is definitely not Shostakovich's Jazz Waltz (at least not the famous one ("No. 2") from the "Suite for Variety Orchestra" (sometimes falsely identified with the Jazz Suite No.2), which was used in "Eyes Wide Shut"). But I don't know the other Waltz in that suite ("No. 1"). But I'll admit that the mood of the two pieces is something similar, esp. because Shostakovich uses an English Horn which sounds similar to the Theremin. 125.162.47.86 (talk) 07:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

The theme is obviously based on Shostakovich's "The Second Waltz". Why no attribution has ever been made, baffles me.Peter raines (talk) 00:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

This sort of thing is easily solved on Wikipedia, regardless of whether it is true or not. A citation to a reliable source should do the trick, but good luck finding one. I have given it a try and failed.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 04:18, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Comedy drama - again

Yet another IP address is claiming this is a comedy, even "darkly comic". The person clearly has no idea what a comedy is, or what a dark comedy is. As I say above many shows have comedy moments, they reflect real life, but they are no written as comedies alone. Saturday's episode of Doctor Who had many comedy moments, but it is not a "comedy sci-fi". Another claim is that it is not a "plausible representation of england" - correct, its fiction, and fiction doesn't have to be comedy. The IP address also claims "exaggerated caricatures" of England - no not really. Not all murder dramas are dark, and totally serious, many have more comedy/cheerful moments. Please do not make further changes until discussion.--UpDown (talk) 21:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The IP address also claims "exaggerated caricatures" of England - no not really. - You're joking. Quit portraying my country as something it isn't. --84.67.38.83 (talk) 21:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Stop taking this personally. I am also from England. It is fiction, please try and remember that.--UpDown (talk) 07:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

First: I don't believe in comedy-drama. Either it is drama with some comedy elements or it is comedy with some drama elements. Otherwise every tv-show could catagorized as comedy-drama.

Anyway, in this case it is drama. It's a murder investigation! --Novesia (talk) 22:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

It is a darkly comic drama, not like Dalziel & Pascoe or Inspector Morse for example, although Morse is a rather romanticised view of England. There are not the over-the-top eccentric characterisations in these shows. --84.67.38.83 (talk) 23:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Well comedy-drama does exist, Honest is a good, recent example. I am also very worried that you make the changes while there is an ongoing discussion, the status quo (ie how the page was originally) should be kept unless a concensus is researched at discussion. Further changes will be vandalism and I will report them as such. Darkly comic may describe Murder Most Horrid, but not Midsomer Murders - and I do wonder whether you have actually watched it if you really believe it to be darkly comic.--UpDown (talk) 07:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is very difficult to compromise with someone who clearly has no sense of irony. I mainly watch Midsomer Murders for the great character actors chewing up the scenery. Murder Most Horrid stars Dawn French and sets out to be a laugh-out-loud comedy, not a comic drama. BTW, a POV dispute does not constitute vandalism. --81.79.214.135 (talk) 15:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I never said Murder Most Horrid was a comic drama, I said it was darkly comic, another phrase you like to use. And this is not a POV dispute, its a factual dispute.--UpDown (talk) 07:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Your behaviour is now disruptive, and I think a ban will soon come if you continue. While there is an ongoing discussion, you should not be changing relevant bit in the article, it should be left how it was in the first place. I have asked you this, and you ignore this. You need to wait for an agreement here first. You linked to dark comedy - I quote from there; a dark comedy is where "events that are usually treated seriously (death, mass murder, suicide, domestic violence, disease, insanity, fear, drug abuse, rape, war, terrorism, etc.) are treated in a humorous or satirical manner". If you honestly believe this describes Midsomer Murders, then you are very misguided (Murder Most Horrid is perfectly described by that). It clearly doesn't. Any further edits will be treated as vandalism, and reverted. I will also get in an admin if necessary.--UpDown (talk) 07:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

This a POV dispute, because you are incapable of understanding irony. You clearly have an under-developed sense of humour and inhabit a different reality from the rest of us. --84.68.109.77 (talk) 12:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Look at ITV. They categorise it as drama. They should know what the show is about. --Novesia (talk) 14:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

This is your first warning for changing a page during a discussion. Please don't. Novesia makes a good point. Please find valid, reliable references for it being a comedy-drama and/or darkly comic. --UpDown (talk) 16:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I never said it wasn't a drama. Comic drama Doc Martin is also listed in the drama category on ITV's website. --84.68.176.183 (talk) 17:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Once again please do not change a page while a discussion is ongoing. That is commmon Wikipedia practise, and you are doing yourself and your argument no favours by totally ignoring this. As I said find me reliable references that say it is "darkly comic", find me reliable references that say it is a "comedy drama". As it stands, we can reference it is a drama, but not a comedy drama. As Wikipedia needs reference, this matters greatly. And as I said above find me references that would agree that Midsomer Murders is a dark comedy as fits this discription."events that are usually treated seriously (death, mass murder, suicide, domestic violence, disease, insanity, fear, drug abuse, rape, war, terrorism, etc.) are treated in a humorous or satirical manner". --UpDown (talk) 07:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I have now added a reliable reference for the phrase "detective drama".--UpDown (talk) 07:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Recurring Characters

I'm not sure this needs adding to the article (yet), but it's something to keep an eye on. There's a new recurring character, WPC Gail Stephens (played by Kirsty Dillon), who first appeared in s10e05 'Death and Dust' and has appeared in every episode from s10e08 'They Seek Him Here' onwards, including every episode of series 11, and is listed in the cast list for the first story of s12 (the dogleg murders), making 9 appearances at least. She tends to only have a few lines in each story (comparable to Dr Bullard), but they seem to be leading towards a romance between her and DS Jones. If she continues to appear, it may need adding to the regular characters (or perhaps more suitably, it would fit in a "recurring character" section along with Cully's boyfriend/husband). Like I say, i'm just putting this out there to see what people think. Paul 1978 (talk) 02:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I must admit, I have seen every episode and never noticed her! But if as you say she has appeared in at least nine episodes then I think she already deserves a mention as a recurring, if minor, character. --UpDown (talk) 07:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, to be fair, she's only been in 3 episodes that have aired in the UK on ITV, but i've seen the first 4 from series 11 which have aired in Europe (and i think are on beginning July on ITV), which she's also in. I'd leave it until those have aired and then see if you think it should be added.Paul 1978 (talk) 21:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking of creating a List of Characters in Midsomer Murders article, my only major concern is whether there would be enough recurring characters to justify this. Does anyone have any thoughts?Lord Cornwallis (talk) 02:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

If an article were created it should be at List of Midsomer Murders characters, following other character pages. I think possibly there are enough characters; Barnaby, Joyce, Cully, Troy, Scott, Jones, Bullard. I think also there are a few other recurring ones, like Cully's husband and I think the guy who took over from Bullard for a series or so.--UpDown (talk) 06:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Cully leaving

I've added in a reference to Cully leaving after s11e01 "Blood Wedding" with a link to an article about it, which has an interview with the actress. However i've just checked and she also appears in s11e04 "The Magicians Nephew". I don't know if that was filmed before Blood Wedding, or if the article is wrong and she leaves after this series (she doesn't appear in any of the other episodes of s11). I'm not sure how to word this within the article though, any thoughts? Paul 1978 (talk) 11:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

That is odd! I also read in another magazine that last night's was her last episode. I would personally leave the article how it is for the time being, then change if necessary later. After all, we have a ref that says "Blood Wedding" was her last.--UpDown (talk) 17:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnaby & Jones

The third assistant to Barnaby is sergeant Jones. Is this a deliberate pun towards Barnaby Jones? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.230.148.234 (talk) 20:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I very much doubt it.--UpDown (talk) 07:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

midsommmer murders

we all no that midsommer is'nt a real place name but where is the villages and wat are there real name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.242.106 (talk) 07:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Cully

Does anyone have the slightest idea what this might be short for? I don't! 91.105.33.248 (talk) 23:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Cully was named so because she was conceived in the same named village where Tom and Joyce honeymooned. StevieNic (talk) 11:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

ITV or ITV1

There is an argument going on between myself, and another member of Wikipedia. I say this programme and many others airs on a channel called ITV - he/she says it's ITV1. The fact is, there is no such channel called ITV1. ITV1 is a brand name, used for ITV in England, Wales, Southern Scotland, Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. The brand name for the channel is Central and the North of Scotland is STV, and in Northern Ireland, it's UTV. All of these brands together, ITV1, STV and UTV are part of the ITV Network, which is usually just refered to as ITV. Using the ITV1 brand in these articles is selfish to those in most of Scotland and Northern Ireland, who don't see or hear the ITV1 name. What are your thoughts on this matter?
GMc^talk 14:55, 09 January 2009 (UTC)

"ITV" is a complicated term, now that many of the ITV franchises are owned by a corporation which calls itself ITV, but I tend to agree with your lines of demarcation. David Arthur (talk) 23:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I think a wider discussion is now being held at the talk of Talk:Agatha Christie's Poirot, so better to centralise there I think.--UpDown (talk) 13:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone else think?

there shoul be a midsomer wiki? Theres quite a lot of materialto be used (Aurumpotestasest (talk) 15:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC))

Sure, why not. We could always use new wikis, and the show has been running for quite some time. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 22:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I've set one up at midsomermuders.wikia i've misspelt the name (hopefully to be amended soon) feel free to add to it, (86.139.187.216 (talk) 14:50, 11 October 2009 (UTC))

Midsomer Murders

On what network in the United States does Midsomer Murders "air" and when? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.131.103.211 (talk) 21:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

In the last 5-6 months, I have come to discover Midsommer Murders on NJTV (a Public Broadcasting System channel in New Jersey, USA). It appears on most Friday nights in back-to-back episodes with part 1 of a story airing at 8:50P then part 2 of the story airing at 9:40P. They follow the British show, Rosemary and Thyme that airs at 8P. The MM episodes that have been shown during the time I've watched are from about 2003-2005 in the John Nettles era. The show also appears on WLIW, another PBS station, NY, but my cable line-up doesn't include it. Yours, Wordreader (talk) 04:20, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

digital formats

This material only seems to be available in low-res/DVD formats? 512x384 widescreen, 1:38-actualruntime? What formats has it been broadcast in? What resolutions? What aspect ratios? Are there any blu-ray/HD releases? Will there be?

Are current episodes available as online streams? Archived episodes? -96.233.19.41 (talk) 15:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

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Is there anyone left alive in this middle/upper class class hell hole -- surely the most dangerous place on earth per head of population?

It's even more dangerous than Eastenders and Coronation Street put together.

Rosa Lichtenstein (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Even the continuity announcers joke about it. It is called "Cabot Cove syndrome". Midsomer appears more dangerous that Iraq!--Streona (talk) 08:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Comedy drama - again -again

I'm a huge fan of Midsomer Murders and i will happily support any claims that it has a distinctly comic element - and I have often said this before even coming across anything Wikipedia writes about the series - but of course it's not the laugh-out-loud type of humour, neither is really dark-comedy. It is carefully orchestrated to be something in between, unlike Morse, which has no comedy in it at all.
I also agree that that it is populated by a wonderful array of caricatures and stereotypes - I come from the Malverns , a collection of places not unlike the Midsomers, with all the mansions, manors, manners, and stereotypes, but generally without the murders. It is sad therefore that these notions have no sources and can therefore not be mentioned in the article.--Kudpung (talk) 03:58, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Parody, Not Comedy

MM is a parody of Englishness. There's class distinction, lords of the manor, peers and queers of the realm, Norman families and their incestuous marriages. The story lines are corny as best ... Tom is arresting some killer while his wife is having tea at the next table. Its an ethnic parody, like "Amos 'n Andy", but in reverse! 203.213.63.101 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC).

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was merge into Midsomer Murders; the merger has been performed as per the proposal and responses, the list of villages being retained for possible future discussion. Another disinterested reader (talk) 00:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

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The page Midsomer (fictional county), linked to from the lede, has been proposed for deletion. The page contains a brief discussion of the county and a list of the fictional villages featured. While this may be insufficient for a page of its own, the information could easily be accommodated here, for instance by renaming the section Filming Locations, as 'Setting' perhaps, beginning this section with the threatened description, and introducing two subheadings, one for the present 'Filming locations' and one for the threatened list as 'List of villages in Midsomer'. The list could be arranged in three or four columns to reduce the length of the section. Given that the county name features in the title of the series, it seems reasonable and even desirable that some information on the county is included. The list of villages is arguably less essential, and it is in fact currently unverified by use of sources; if anyone has a means of confirming the list, now is the time to come forward. This said, a number of people have gone to the trouble of gathering this information and deletion seems an unfair solution if the list is verifiable and a suitable home can be found. Assuming that agreement is reached, I could perform the merger. Another disinterested reader (talk) 12:36, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the plans to merge, regardless of effort people have gone to this isn't a fan site and things should only be included if notable. Nothing wrong with including it in this article Carl Sixsmith (talk) 13:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• Support - for all the reasons stated by the proposer. Any useful information should not risk being lost because of a PROD.--Kudpung (talk) 15:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Sergeant Troy's Origin

The Midsomer Murders page describes Troy as "a local man and attended a local comprehensive". But at the end of The Green Man episode, Tom and Cully Barnaby talk with Troy about his return to Middlesbrough and whether he has a "southern slur" to his accent and if "some Middlesbrough is coming back". Midsomer seems to be SW England and a long way from Middlesbrough, so is Troy really a local man? 99.248.203.15 (talk) 08:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC) gryff

I don't know if this helps but from Season 1 Ep. 2 "Written in Blood" Barnaby and Troy visit the local Comprehensive School to speak to a suspect, Brian Clapper. Sgt. Troy mentions he went to school there. In fact one of the teachers recognises him. Stevefrommelbourne (talk) 11:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

In "Written In Blood," Troy said he went to Causton Comprehensive from 1983 to 1990. It's entirely possible he was from Middlesbrough and that his family moved to Causton when he was 11 or so. Old enough to have a bit of a Teeside accent, but young enough to be considered "local." That being said, inconsistent canon is quite common in any television show. Gaiole (talk) 15:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Or he could, for example, have moved with his parents at age 16 and just done his A-Levels there. PRL42 (talk) 17:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

In the second episode he says he attended the local comprehensive from "'83-'90". Tlqk56 (talk) 19:07, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I just watched the episode "Death and Dreams" in which Troy gets drunk at a party and seems to slip into a different accent, though as an American I can't tell what it is or even if it's supposed to really be different. But it made me wonder if it was meant as a comment on his origin. (Furrycat66 (talk) 23:40, 16 April 2017 (UTC))

Dubious

The opening paragraph claims that since 2009 the first broadcasts are "by Swedish broadcaster SVT" - definitely a citation needed, there. I suspect what it means is that ITV have been stockpiling them for broadcast later, so they have already been shown on SVT. However, it's perhaps a bit misleading, and doesn't have a citation either. I couldn't find any other reference to this except mirrors of this page. So, I will probably remove it later unless it can be clarified. Bob talk 18:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

ITV ?

This entry, which I guess was entered by an English person, claims that this programme was first produced for ITV ? Is this really so ? Because in the first few years the only reference in the credits is to "Produced by Brian True-May for The Arts and Entertainment (A&E) Network", which I believe is in USA ? 203.26.122.12 (talk) 05:08, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I can't provide a reference but it seems extremely unlikely that the programmes were produced for a foreign network. They were a reasonably high profile series transmitted in a prime time slot by ITV shortly after production. It is unlikely that a foreign network would commission such a series as, without ITV's involvement, the cost would be prohibitive for what would only be a minority interest product. PRL42 (talk) 11:45, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

At a guess, is it possible the credits on screen depend where you watch them? I agree with PRL it seems likely that this was an ITV programme which was picked up by other networks and became popular - although there are a number of programmes set/made in Britain which are partially/wholly funded by US channels. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 23:52, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Car registration easter egg?

Hi all, sorry for writing quasi-anonymous (I do have an German Wikipedia account though.)

I tried to find out if the number on the plate or Mr. Barnaby's car is an easter egg. The registration is Y202 TOH. If you mirror this, it's HOT SOSY, which can be pronounced "hot susy".

Intention or a random occurrence?

Quality Control (German Wikipedia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.24.99 (talk) 16:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Controversy

Controversy (section)

In March 2011, producer Brian True-May was suspended by All3Media after having told the TV listings magazine Radio Times that racial diversity in the programme was non-existent because the series was a "bastion of Englishness". When challenged on the term Englishness and whether that should also include different ethnic minorities, True-May said "Well, it should do, and maybe I'm not politically correct". He later went on to say that he wanted to make a programme "that appeals to a certain audience, which seems to succeed". True-May's comments are now being investigated by the production company[10] Mr. True-May has now been reinstated but will step down as producer after the filming of the remainder of the current series has been completed.[11] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.6.72 (talk) 18:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

- Okay I'm not even anglo-saxon (UK) nor European origin, but this has gone too far. I agree with Brian True-May. So what if Midsomer Murders or any other series is not "diverse"? It depends on the setting and the storyline, so things like this shouldn't be a surprise. Not everything has to be "diverse" or include every single type, because that would be chaos. Some things are understood and some things must be represented as well, including TRADITIONS and traditional ways. Believe it or not, but this is what many people around the world hope to see as well, authenticity! It creates a certain identity and charm as well. Let English things be English, French be French, and so on. It's only natural and common sense. To not do this would actually be INTOLERANT and racist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.6.72 (talk) 18:26, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Is there much racial diversity in rural England anyway? 109.149.202.28 (talk) 18:24, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

- Agree. Gone too fat for sure. Is it necessary to add asian and black characters in show that takes place in small typical english villages? Is a lot of indians or escimos living theres in real life? I feel sorry for that poor producer. They made a high-succesful long runnind show which means the viewers got what they wanted. Why apologise for that? That`s gone too far. It's racism too. I don't even talk of bit of light self-parody in all that "Englishness". Small minds just can't get it. Mr. True-May, you're a man! You've made a great show which is loved and aprreciated by a lot of people. You've made it right. No regrets. Thank for you work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.68.239.151 (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Introduction

The introduction had acquired rather long complicated sentences that were disjointed, so I have condensed it a bit. The main character from the novels and the TV show is Tom Barnaby who featured in the first 81 of the 85 episodes (they are yet to announce more), and which will run forever on cable, so he should still be mentioned first. Dewatf (talk) 03:40, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Revealing the Murderers -- Spoilers

I don't think the identity of the murderer should be revealed in the episode descriptions. When I go to the description it's usually to find out who's playing a certain character. I certainly don't want the solution to the mystery to be revealed! It spoils the fun.

So far the episode descriptions have been very careful not to reveal spoilers, and I've tried to maintain that when I add to them. I think it's important, and I hope whoever is revealing the murderer at the bottom of each description will rethink it and stop.

Thanks. Tlqk56 (talk) 16:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I completely agree, but you're not going to win this. Wikipedia used to have collapsible spoiler tags, but even though most ordinary readers/editors wanted to keep them, they were removed by a bunch of busybodies.

Hot Sosy

I am currently enjoying the John Nettles series of the Midsomer Murders on PBS. I noticed the license tag on the car says "HOT SOSY" in mirror image. I was curious what this might mean. The subtle humor is often the best. I am surprised to see only one post on this and I have no clue what Hot Sosy has to do with Easter Egg. However, if the pronunciation can be "sussy" as suggested, I can then surmise if you see the detective's license in your review mirror and you are a suspect (sussy), that DCI Barnaby and DI Troy are "hot on your trail."Curiousgem (talk) 14:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)Curiousgem

Out of date sections need review

I have just updated the International sales and DVD sales sections in relation to Australia. However it appears that other information in these sections might be (years?) out of date. I am only able to deal with the Australian information, maybe other editors could check their respective countrie's information with a view to updating. Cheers. Melbourne3163 (talk) 08:59, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Recurrent Villain?

I'm surprised by the fact there's nothing about the fact that whenever "Christians" appear in an episode it's guaranteed that they'll be the guilty party. 118.208.10.221 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:13, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. Anytime a character appears somewhat religious (generally quite early in the episode) it turns out that they are a homicidal maniac, usually with some psychotic fetish. A definite "tell", and it gives away the culprit way too soon. Mannanan51 (talk) 19:51, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Villages

I'm not sure, but isn't Midsommer Valley also a village in the serie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.212.107.198 (talk) 14:16, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• It says Little Crosby but there is a Lower Crosby in Season 17. So is Little Crosby correct also. Williamb (talk) 06:23, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Joyce Barnaby

Joyce Barnaby joins a painting group, and discovers the body of a murder victim. Joyce Barnaby joins an amateur dramatics society, one of the cast is murdered. Joyce Barnaby volunteers renovating an old canal, a murder is uncovered. Joyce Barnaby is a judge in a perfect village competition, and a villager is murdered. Joyce Barnaby drags Tom to visit a memorial garden, someone is murdered. Tom and Joyce visit a rowing regatta, a member of the rowing club is murdered. Joyce Barnaby gets a job as an extra in a movie, the director is murdered. Joyce Barnaby swerves her car to miss a pedestrian, an unrelated person is murdered. Tom and Joyce go to a spa, someone is killed in a flotation chamber. Clearly Joyce Barnaby must be a serial killer. 211.31.207.5 (talk) 12:37, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Great observation, 211.31.207.5, but as they say : . @_@ Wordreader (talk) 08:33, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Characters table

Would someone please add the new character of Jamie to the character table and add a season 19 column please. I tried and very nearly wrecked it and it took ages to correct. My apologies. Also now that Neil has been the lead form a few good years now, could we reorder the list of stars in the summary box at the start. The present stars are Neil Dudgeon and Nick Hendrix etc. (Now That season 19 filming has begun). Sentinel68 (talk) 14:06, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

I have added the new DS into the table. Yes, it is a bit tricky :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 14:19, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

List off victims

Hello, this series is about the death off people, by murder, yet they are hardly mentioned. Probably that is very human since on telie every nigth on every channel at least 1 person is virtualy killed just for entertainment. Yet a decent list off Mudsummer murder victims would be apropiate. 85.149.83.125 (talk) 13:41, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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Article has Several Issues & Problems with it

I think this article needs some drastic work to improve it, as I believe there are several issues with it. One example is List of Fictional Villages - there are no references to confirm this list, and it looks more like original research to me. Someone needs to get in here and work out the kinks, so to speak, and possibly flesh out the Lead as well. 78.32.138.71 (talk) 14:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Variety of cuts/editions is not mentioned

I think many of the episodes have been cut over the years compared to their original pristine ITV showing. Even if they're repeated by ITV later because the amount of time allowed for adverts in a couple of hours has increased. Watching episodes within series one to nine now, there are clearly memorable scenes missing and the plots sometimes seem to have holes or sudden unexplained leaps. I would guess the home media releases are also edited in order to fit a certain number within the media's capacity. The run time of episodes isn't listed but if it was then the source would have to be stated. Does anyone know if the original ITV releases are available as that would give a benchmark against which to measure; perhaps on VHS video? Ralph Corderoy (talk) 12:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Current broadcastings in the UK

Given the dates for airing series 22 between 2021 and 2023, can it really be the case that German public television ZDF is already broadcasting series 24 (as of 2024-01-24: s24e2, »Book of the Dead« (»Das Buch Bertam«)), while the UK has not yet begun with series 23? 2A03:F580:C898:6B00:78A7:6E1B:C9BF:EAFD (talk) 03:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)