Talk:Minnesota/Archive 8

Education Reference
I'm not sure how to put it in properly, but here is a reference for the level of education in Minnesota (http://hlc.umcrookston.edu/documents/gillaspy-presentation-5-9-2005.pdf)

Loon
The caption for the picture of the loon says that they are found as far south as Minneapolis. I live in Rochester, MN, and I have seen loons around the local lakes. Besides this small incongruence, the article was very accurate and informative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.32.245 (talk) 03:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

how old is minneapolis tell me you know some of the histor  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.90.246.122 (talk) 03:56, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Shhhh . ..
. . . but at some point someone will wander by, see that this was promoted in 2006, and put it up for Featured Article Review, where it seems all featured articles go to die. (It once was a place to rescue articles, but the M.O. there now seems to be to pick them to death until they are delisted.) The last two links at the right show there is some work that needs to be done. Much of the article is now dated (depending too much on transient annual statistics), and a number of websites are now dead. And a number of the articles principal editors are no longer active.

Can some of those reading this pitch in, take a section, and bring it up to date?

thanks. Kablammo (talk) 18:41, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

CNBC Poll addition
Please stop adding this information without discussing it. All information has to be reliably sourced, and you haven't done that. I was able to find a source for it, but I've removed it as non-notable since being 8th out of 50 isn't exactly being one of the top of the field. It isn't in the top 10% or even in the top 15%. It simply isn't that impressive. Please discuss this here before adding it again. Thanks! SeanNovack (talk) 18:39, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Coastline
Hey guys, long time since I've been back here. :)

Anyways, when this article was getting promoted to FA one of the sentences we had to remove was that "Minnesota had more coastline than California, Florida and Hawaii combined" due to lack of citations.

Well an enterprising individual did the calculations, and it's true if you include rivers. http://www.chrisfinke.com/2013/12/30/does-minnesota-really-have-more-shoreline-than-california/

Shall we include it again? -Ravedave (talk) 21:46, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, RaveDave. Good to see you again! The problem with including it might have to do with the coastline paradox: it's a quantity which defies precise definition. Jonathunder (talk) 02:51, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Ravedave?? Not the ? Good to see you back!  Now (for a while at least) forget about lizards or frogs or whatever else you've been working on, and update this article. It says right near the top of this page that you can help with it!  Regards,  Kablammo (talk) 14:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I need help
Well, I am from Spain and I am working on Minnesota's spanish article. I am writing about the sports and I am having a lot of problems trying to find information about women's sports. I wrote the name of the men's teams of the most popular leagues of USA (NHL, MLB, NBA, NFL). I wrote the name of Minnesota Lynx of the WNBA, but I can't find information over the other women's leagues, so I can't write about the Minnesota's teams of football, hockey and baseball. I hope you have understand my "english". Please, if you can, tell me the name of women's football, hockey and baseball leagues and Minnesota's teams in these leagues (I just need the first league). Please use a simple english, after all this isn't my first language. Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plata1996 (talk • contribs) 23:20, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
 * , there is a listing of professional sports teams at Sports in Minnesota. Good luck with your article.  Kablammo (talk) 14:04, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! --Plata1996 (talk) 19:30, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Peacock terms and promotional tone
I'm seeing phrases like "internationally known arts community" and "Minnesota is known for a politically active citizenry," and overall the article seems to feature only very positive information. Just wondering what other editors think.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 05:34, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Ambiguity and grammatical error
"Minnesota contains some of the oldest rocks found on earth, gneisses some 3.6 billion years old, or 80% as old as the planet." 80% of what is as old as the planet? And what does "gneisses some 3.6 billion years old" even mean?97.116.162.146 (talk) 06:01, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Come on! No Wikipedia editor wants to resolve this problem????67.4.218.221 (talk) 06:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Gneisses found in Minnesota are about 3.6 billion years old; the planet Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Kablammo (talk) 13:49, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

State motto
The translation of the state motto is wrong. Directly translated it does mean "the star of the north" but you never directly translate. If you translate properly it would be "the North Star". Feel free to fix.

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Nauseous Puffery
The following paragraph is a little over the top:

"Minnesota is known for its progressive political orientation and its high rate of civic participation and voter turnout. Until European settlement, Minnesota was inhabited by the Dakota and Ojibwe/Anishinaabe. The large majority of the original European settlers emigrated from Scandinavia and Germany, and the state remains a center of Scandinavian American and German American culture. In recent decades, immigration from Asia, the Horn of Africa, and Latin America has broadened its historic demographic and cultural composition. Minnesota's standard of living index is among the highest in the United States, and the state is also among the best-educated and wealthiest in the nation.[7]"

Minnesotans love this kind of narcissistic blather -- just talk to one -- but it's more appropriate for a politician's campaign speech than it is a Wikipedia entry. In particular, the phrase "Minnesota's standard of living index is among the highest in the United States" is unsupported by footnote 7 and is too subjective to substantiate.

Gruffbear (talk) 02:27, 8 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Why is this unencyclopedic just because it might be considered "bragging?" Most of what is included in the paragraph you cite is both objective and easily verifiable (for instance the high voter turnout and immigration patterns).  While I agree with you that the meaning of the term "standard of living index" is not immediately clear, a search on Google for "quality of life by state" shows a number of rankings at which Minnesota is at or near the top.  The mere fact that these studies are subjective in choosing what factors go into determining "quality of life" does not make them difficult to substantiate, so long as the underlying measurements (like murder rates, employment rates, education levels, average disposable incomes) are objective. Jrt989 (talk) 14:50, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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Attribution
Text and references copied from The Land of Ten Thousand Lakes to Bachelor Lake (Brown County, Minnesota), See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 15:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Questionable assessment of a Minnesota geographical term
The article contains the following.


 * The remainder of the state is known as Greater Minnesota or, pejoratively, Outstate Minnesota. (footnote 62)

I am aware that there are Minnesotans who do not care for the term Outstate Minnesota, but I have never heard it used pejoratively - in the sense of that word to which the passage itself shows a link. Outstate Minnesota is used as a neutral term in academic writing, in newspapers, and in other published writing.

The way the passage is written makes it seem that the source referenced by the footnote 62 will verify that Outstate Minnesota is used pejoratively, but that is not the case. The source is simply one which uses the variation Greater Minnesota. It makes no mention whatsoever of the term Outstate Minnesota.

I propose that to maintain a neutral viewpoint the word pejoratively be removed. I did not want to simply remove it myself without a discussion of the matter with other editors.

Mplsray (talk) 02:53, 29 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I removed it as uncited. It is a term used in documents of the state and by outstate communities.  There are a few contentions that its usage is pejorative but they don't seem to predominate.  A google search for the term yields over 17,000 results.  Kablammo (talk) 17:51, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Minnesota Sports Update
In the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota#Outdoor_recreation section of the Minnesota page, there appear to be two problems:
 * The word "luge" links to the article on snowshoeing.
 * There does not appear to be a luge track in Minnesota if the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bobsleigh,_luge,_and_skeleton_tracks is to be trusted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lincolnnb (talk • contribs) 04:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

No ref sections
This is a featured article, but some sections have 0 ref such as literature and entertainment sections. That's quite unacceptable. And the "popular culture" section has 1 ref, not enough. Please either delete all non-ref sections or add ref to them.14.186.6.245 (talk) 12:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Notification: Housing in Minnesota
A request has been submitted to WikiProject Minnesota for a new article to be created on the topic of Housing in Minnesota. Please join the discussion or consider contributing to the new article. Best regards, -- M2545 (talk) 13:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

FAR needed
Copied from malformed nom here.


 * This is a featured article, but some sections have 0 ref such as literature and entertainment sections. That's quite unacceptable. And the "popular culture" section has 1 ref, clearly not enough. Another problem is that they look more like a list of things than an encyclopedia section. This needs to be fixed, or FA status should be removed. I raised this issue about 4 months ago in the talk page, and it has been ignored until today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 21:08, October 12, 2020  (talk) 2402:800:4383:7390:6535:b839:43c2:590e (UTC)

IP 2402, I share your concerns about this article, but your nomination was malformed. There are many issues on this page, but a better representative sample of the considerable problems should be listed here, and then if no one engages to fix them within a week, the instructions for how to submit a nomination correctly should be followed. I will add this page to the notifications list. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  21:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The article is now a candidate for removal of its featured status. Please see Featured_article_review. Kablammo (talk) 13:55, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Copyright Disclaimer
It was triggered based on a vandalism (rickroll). We ought to remove disclaimer, as it was most likely part of the vandal's intent. A Tree In A Box (talk) 17:24, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Minneapolis
Name comes from Minnehaha from Longfellow's poem, Hiawatha. Not the etymology suggested in the article. Jack Upland (talk) 02:37, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2023
Please add James Hong to the notable actor's list! 2603:8081:2100:8768:C74:399C:B3CA:5A62 (talk) 06:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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New flag
Minnesota may have a new flag this year or next year, my dad told me about it. Brennan1234567890 (talk) 23:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Yep, the new flag design has been adopted as the final design for the next state flag (uploaded here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Minnesota_flag_submission_F1953_Final.webp )
 * It should be used in place of the old flag as of December 19 2023 Portal 2 Episode 1 (talk) 03:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: They will not be official until April 1, per the Associated Press.  JTP (talk • contribs) 04:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)