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Tragedy of Kamloops Unmarked Graves
Hello Wikipedians, I am thankful to the recent editor(s) that this page has already been edited to reflect the recent news of the finding of 215 unmarked graves at the Kamloops residential school. This is a deeply traumatic revelation of clerical abuse against the Secwepemc people, and given the role of the Oblates in the residential schools, I fear there may be further revelations. I would like to ask: Should the Kamloops tragedy be moved to a yet-to-be-created section labeled Clerical Abuse, and move the existing text into a subsection chronologically after other notable instances of abuse by the Oblates (for example, the Oblates' role in the Catholic Archdiocese of Boston sex abuse scandal as one of several sections)? This religious order's history of abuse is no secret, and the abuse has been so systematic and widespread that it warrants being part of their encyclopedic record. Grisé (talk) 04:13, 30 May 2021 (UTC) — Grisé (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * , I am not sure why you are so quick to point to clerical abuse in such a case. It would seem that a grave with bodies of children would be a natural result from a boarding school of this nature. Is there some account of abuse or neglect that comes with the discovery of the grave, other than the modern perspective that it was a bad thing to remove the children from their families and from their culture? Elizium23 (talk) 04:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your prompt response. I am not here to comment on modern perspectives or opinions, but simply the facts of the Kamloops tragedy. Firstly, I should preface this by clarifying: by "clerical abuse" I am not referring to religious abuse in particular, but rather the forms of abuse, particularly against children, perpetrated by clergy. By this, religious abuse can be included but I am primarily referring to physical abuse (including sexual abuse) and physical neglect. An undocumented grave with the remains of 215 undocumented children should be the "natural result" of no school. Parents were told that their children ran away (see 2nd article cited below), while the truth is that children went missing at the same time as known abuse. The graves alone are silent, but survivors and their stories still exist: I invite you to read the online testimony of former students at Kamloops, featured in news articles across the internet, which may elucidate for you the nature of the physical neglect and abuse, and sexual abuse, in Kamloops. Here is one (see citation). See this source for more firsthand accounts. See also a secondary source for the survivors' stories of abuse, here. While the knowledge of this school's abuse is not anything new, it is worth pointing out that most deaths were the result of neglect (sometimes leading to sickness) and outright abuse on the part of the administration, comprising clerical and lay staff (including guards). However, the lay perpetrators and accomplices were not part of a broader network of schools in the way that the Oblate administration was. Given the systematic nature of the abuse by priests, their superiors' knowledge of abuse, their cover-ups and denial, I believe this is rightly considered clerical abuse, because it was systematic neglect and abuse which was perpetrated by and abetted by clerics. The Kamloops graves should not exist, because no residential school should have the "natural result" of an undocumented mass grave, or be in any way involved in the death of children through neglect and abuse; by virtue of their very existence, the graves of the 215 undocumented children signify the broader abuse which was already well-known among survivors. However, if the term "clerical abuse" is too broad of a term to describe the specific abuses at Kamloops, then I welcome your advice on the matter. Thank you for reading. Grisé (talk) 05:34, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Tag
About a year ago someone tagged this article: "This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably." That is an understatement. It is also redundant and poorly organized. Presumably institutions are located at the site of their missions. Much of the information re the Canadian schools is covered elsewhere, -and much more coherently. This should be trimmed to OMI's specific involvement. There are apparently over 3,000 members with less than 300 in Canada. Short-shrift to anyplace else. Manannan67 (talk) 03:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Splitting article
The article's been tagged as too long for several years, so I'm diving into some WP:BOLD splits and reorganization. It will probably be imperfect but it's got to be better than this.— Moriwen (talk) 17:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)