Talk:Mitch McConnell/Archive 3

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2021
Edit request to correct a grammar mistake: replace "businessmen" by the singular form "businessman" on the first line of the Wikipedia page for Mitch McConnell. 158.143.113.220 (talk) 11:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Actually, "businessman" didn't really even seem to be supported by the article anyway (ignoring the incorrect grammar). I've just reverted the edit that added it instead, so nothing to change the grammar on anymore. Volteer1 (talk) 12:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Why no witnesses – Never heard of The Buck Stops Here?
How wrong this was could be immediately seen when Trump's lawyer quite gloatingly dismissed the deposition of Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler as a mere statement without any value. How could the House managers and the Senate be so lazy? Even if there wouldn't have been 67 votes for conviction – this important revelation about Trump's behavior had to be brought to open display before the Senate and his lawyers would have had to contest it in order to dismiss it. And other issues would have come into daylight, too.

Now many facts are still buried in the dark because the impeachment managers and the Senate passed the buck to the courts: It had to be stopped here, in the Senate.

The Senate just honored police officer Eugene Goodman: Imagine for a minute Mr. Goodman would have thought for his own comfort first and Trump's mob had succeeded in getting to the chamber with the senators in it. But for Mr. Goodman the mob had to be stopped here at him and with courage, skill and luck he won and saved the Republic!

And what did the Senate and the impeachment managers do? They let Mr. Goodman and Mrs. Herrera Beutler and all the law-abiding people in the U.S. and in the West down. What was the reason for this quitting, who influenced them? This must come to light! --Sunsarestars (talk) 08:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

"a close call"
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/13/us/mcconnell-trump-impeachment-acquittal.html

voted to acquit former President Trump, although he said it was a “close call.”

I'm German (= no native speaker) ; imho, that has encycloped. relevance. --Präziser (talk) 17:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

AMEND INFO BOX for all office holders
Info boxes should include the term of office (length), the date of the most recent election or appointment, and the date of the next election.

He hasn't been the senior senator from Kentucky since 1985. He became the junior Senator in 1985. For McConnell's first 14 years, Wendell Ford was the Senior Senator. You were so concise that you were wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.82.103.86 (talk) 05:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

"obstructionist" in lead
The lead should plainly say that he was an "obstructionist" or engaged in "obstruction", as the body does and as more than a dozen peer-reviewed studies and expert assessments do. There is no justification for omitting it from the lead, as this edit does. It is decidedly non-NPOV not to characterize McConnell's actions like the body and the extensive list of high-quality sources do. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Just want to jump in with a point of order here. The litmus test for NPOV should be Raul's Razor: "An article [or, I would say, a section or paragraph] is neutral if, after reading it, you cannot tell where the author's sympathies lie." So, whether a particular item has well-sourced, peer reviewed expert assessments is kind of beside the point for saying NPOV. Finding high quality sources and NPOV are generally separate issues. If the article seems like it exists just to talk about how mean of a guy McConnell is, that's POV, even if there are lots of sources talking about the mean things he's done.


 * In this case, I think either phrasing could qualify as NPOV, so I'm not going to jump into the diffs or take a side on this or anything. But I think that's an important point to bear in mind going forward.--Trevdna (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Raul's Razor's is a bad way to determine NPOV when one side of the political spectrum in one country has normalized actions that could only be described in negative ways if expressed objectively. For example, describing the claim that the 2020 election was stolen as "false" would be a violation of Raul's Razor, yet that is how all RS characterize that claim. Applying Raul's Razor in practice means violating WP:FALSEBALANCE. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Frankly, I disagree. The “false” election claim is a clearly exceptional case. Most of your run-of-the-mill article points will not have such clearly defined “right” and “wrong” as that.

So with that said, I think the article as it now stands probably strikes a pretty good balance. It states the controversy and is very well sourced (thanks), but doesn’t get bogged down in explaining to the reader that McConnell is a terrible guy. So I’m not proposing any changes to the article as it now stands.

Just a difference of opinion on principles. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree for now, and work out future controversies on a case-by-case basis.

—Trevdna (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

To add to article
To add to this article: the names of McConnell's three children. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 14:28, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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 * Mitch McConnell at a rally for civil rights in 1964.webp

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2021
A member of the Republican Party, he has served as the senior United States senator from Kentucky since 1985

McConnell hasn't been Kentucky's senior senator since 1985. When he was elected, he was the junior senator (Wendell Ford had been in office for a number of years), so he's only been the senior senator since Ford left office in 1999. Please remove "senior" from this sentence, or if it's important for the start of the article to mention that he's the senior senator (I don't see why it would be), please transfer this element somewhere else. 64.203.186.112 (talk) 15:41, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 07:29, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Electoral History Should Be Changed
i know political articles are useless in general on wikipedia, but the electoral history box in particular here is revolting. why show his opponents losing vote percent at all?

it makes no sense. it should be redone to show HIS and only his percentage of the vote. it's his article after all, as awfully and one sided as it's written. besides, if you can't get their percentages from subtracting his from 100.... it's an unnecessary add-on.

2600:1700:5E40:7190:48C3:D755:53A5:7EB1 (talk) 19:46, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

add controversy re: McConnell's speech claiming obstruction by Democrats
In a speech 7/29/19, McConnell claimed "Democrat obstructionism" despite earlier expressions of pride in preventing Democrat-sponsored bills from reaching the Senate floor and his "proudest achievement" in blocking hearings on a legally nominated Supreme Court nominee, Merrick Garland. His claims of working against Russian President Vladimir Putin while thwarting two bills in July 2019 that would protect US elections from Russian influence caused the Twitter hashtag "#MoscowMitchMcTreason" to trend for two days, July 29-30, 2019.

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2021
Nazi Symbol on page????? 2601:14D:8500:C330:85FF:22C1:555B:1A43 (talk) 13:56, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 16:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Approval
Hello. I don't have time to update Mr. McConnell's approval ratings. Does anyone else? They've been scrubbed from the lead, and scrubbed from this article before. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:49, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Infobox order
I'm going to reorder the infobox to the following (top-to-bottom), because the current order seems arbitrary: Minority leader, majority leader, conference leader, majority whip, rules committee chair, senator from Kentucky, judge/executive of Jefferson County, and assistant AG for legislative affairs. Derpytoucan (talk) 19:13, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect information
Senator McConnell is in his 7th term, not 8th. Senator Grassley is the only republican Senator to make it to and eighth term. 2600:4040:4520:E700:E812:615B:8D4E:F751 (talk) 13:05, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reporting this. This was corrected 09:30, 10 January 2023 by Lawrence 979. Politrukki (talk) 16:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Senator Mitch McConnell on working with President Obama.ogg

Subject Senator McConnell misinformation.
The entry has Senator McConnell’s father “in the Army” which appears not to be true true. He was never in the Army. He was apparently a civilian employee for the Army at some time during World War II and at some point became an employee of Dupont. That’s according to https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/81719293/addison-mitchell-mcconnell which includes an obituary printed in The Kentucky Post, Covington, October 1, 1990 JosephMChapman (talk) 18:27, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * A reliable source, the Associated Press, published a 2020 story saying Senator McConnell's father was an Army veteran and was deployed. Source here. --2603:3000:60:4100:A18B:1FA2:B551:5DF3 (talk) 18:39, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The quote: "He was just a toddler in 1944, when his father was deployed to World War II, his mother relocated the family to her sister's home in rural Alabama and he came down with flu-like symptoms. While he eventually recovered, his left leg did not. It was paralyzed." --2603:3000:60:4100:A18B:1FA2:B551:5DF3 (talk) 18:39, 31 August 2023 (UTC)