Talk:Mo Li Hua

Protests
There is a disproportionate number of mentions of this song's association with the relatively minor 2011 protests. For such a classic piece of Chinese culture it is bizarre a supposedly neutral source would put such an emphasis on pro-US ideology. Constructive criticism, wikifriends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.253.94.182 (talk) 15:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Old discussion
For an October 2004 deletion debate over this page see Votes for deletion/Mo Li Hua

Could someone please translate the lyrics? I'm horrible at Chinese... =| --Andylkl 08:31, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * I could try a literal translation. Here goes:

&#22909;&#19968;&#26421;&#32654;&#20029;&#30340;&#33545;&#33673;&#33457; Beautiful jasmine

&#22909;&#19968;&#26421;&#32654;&#20029;&#30340;&#33545;&#33673;&#33457; Beautiful jasmine

&#33452;&#33459;&#32654;&#20029;&#28385;&#26525;&#26720; Fragrant, pretty, stems full of buds

&#21448;&#39321;&#21448;&#30333;&#20154;&#20154;&#22840; Sweet-smelling, white, everyone praises you

&#35753;&#25105;&#26469;&#23558;&#20320;&#25688;&#19979; Let me pluck you

&#36865;&#32473;&#21035;&#20154;&#23478; And present you to someone [possibly "a friend"]

&#33545;&#33673;&#33457;&#21568;&#33545;&#33673;&#33457; Jasmine, oh jasmine


 * I'm not very sure what &#26720; (third line) means, it's not in any of the dictionaries I've checked. In context it seems like shoots or buds.


 * Still, the translation needs a lot of work. Maycontainpeanuts 11:26, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Um yeah, it's kinda odd to translate.
 * It sounds totally incoherent in english as Maycontainpeanuts would have pointed out - his translation is already quite accurate, however literal

Fiveless 11:39, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * All right, edited your translation a bit to this:

&#22909;&#19968;&#26421;&#32654;&#20029;&#30340;&#33545;&#33673;&#33457; A beautiful jasmine flower

&#22909;&#19968;&#26421;&#32654;&#20029;&#30340;&#33545;&#33673;&#33457; A beautiful jasmine flower

&#33452;&#33459;&#32654;&#20029;&#28385;&#26525;&#26720; Fragrant and pretty, stems full of buds

&#21448;&#39321;&#21448;&#30333;&#20154;&#20154;&#22840; Sweet-smelling and white, everyone praises

&#35753;&#25105;&#26469;&#23558;&#20320;&#25688;&#19979; Let me pluck you down

&#36865;&#32473;&#21035;&#20154;&#23478; And present to someone

&#33545;&#33673;&#33457;&#21568;&#33545;&#33673;&#33457; Jasmine flower, oh jasmine flower

performance at the 2004 Athens Olympics
A misconception goes that this song was performed by the 12 girl band, rather this was not. The 14 girls who performed this song in Athens were Beijing University students, not the actual 12 girl band. --24.86.74.191 (talk) 22:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Checked my dictionary, "&#26720;" is indeed buds... If there's no objections, I think we'll be using this translations (however arkward it may seem), thanks for helping out! =) --Andylkl 18:13, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Hold on a sec, found a better translation through a google search, suppose we can use it?

Jasmine, Jasmine, Oh so fair! Jasmine, Jasmine, Oh so fair! Blossoming and budding here and there, Pure and fregrant all declare. Let me pluck you with tender and care, Your loveliness with all to share. Jasmine, Jasmine, Oh so fair!

--Andylkl 18:33, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Lead
Since the content about recent importance and events have been removed from lead twice over the past half a year, let me state here the rationale for justification. WP:LEAD states that the article's content should be summarized in the lead, and the lead is not too bloated for a paragraph dedicated to summarizing this content, which accounts to close to a half of the article anyway. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 18:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A summary should summarize the whole historical development of the song, which has been around since the 18th century. Instead the paragraph is about a few events of the last 10 years.  That is Recentism.  At most, even if all these events should be mentioned, it should be a maximum of one sentence for the lead.--Sevilledade (talk) 05:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Further, although they all share the same title, there are several different versions of this composition, with different melody and lyrics that has been developed throughout centuries. Can you actually specify which is used for the Summer Olympics, which is used during the Expo, and which is used during the Jasmine Revolution?--Sevilledade (talk) 08:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * We are not an encyclopedia of history only, recent events can be important - and the song gained fame for them. Feel free to expand on history, and the lead, but the recent use seems notable enough for a mention in the lead. And certainly, let's stress the existence of various versions. If you disagree, I'd suggest we seek a WP:3O on this. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 17:25, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I trimmed the lead, making it all one sentence. You still haven't addressed Recentism? The "song gained fame for them"?  As if it wasn't famous before?  You need to illustrate with evidence that the song only became well-known due to these current events.--Sevilledade (talk) 22:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

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Music
About how to create a rhythmic improve vision on the first part of the song mo li hua using with two beats 49.146.44.44 (talk) 23:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)