Talk:Moel Famau

Index links
Could this self styled "ministryofinformation", which seems to have none of the official status that its name implies, please show some credentials?

The index links have been up for some time now. They were not intended to and have not produced any additional business whatsoever. The guys at Wikipedia are aware of them and if they consider that they should be removed, they will be removed. Anyone else who takes that view should make a formal complaint. Shady, self styled "ministries of information" are, to say the least, undesirable.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Viewfinder (talk • contribs) 16:31, November 17, 2005

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No especial credentials, and none claimed. The name's just a name, and irrelevant here. Remember, anyone can edit wiki pages.

I am the second person to regard the index link as advertising. The other removed the Moel Famau link too, but I thought it relevant, so let that stand. What relevance does the overall index have to this specific entry? Can we have proof that the link is authorised by Wikipedia senior editors, please? --Ministry 17:06, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

The credentials are implicitly claimed in your name and so with all due respect I do not consider it to be irrelevant. The overall index page (i) contains general information about the panoramas, (ii) has not increased sales by a penny, and (iii) contains further general information about the panoramas that is useful and relevant to anyone viewing any one of them.

If every link had to be authorised by senior editors, they would be authorising links 24 hours a day, but in this case, I agree that a ruling from senior editors would be in order. So would a ruling re the use of dishonest names like "ministry of information". Who are you?

As I see it, what is useful and relevant should stay. If every link with the potential to give someone a commercial benefit had to be removed, then very many links that are useful and relevant would have to go. Viewfinder 18:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC) (operating in the open and above board, unlike some people...).

A further point: there are similar links on the pages of other summits, so it is very unlikely that the senior editors of Wikipedia are unaware of them. If they wish to discuss this matter with me they are welcome to do so at any time. Viewfinder 19:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Parent Peak
Moel Gamelin is near Llangollen - around ten miles away. It is certainly not the parent peak of Moel Famau. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 03:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Flintshire and Denbighshire
It straddles the border, so it can't be said to be "in" Denbighshire. I'm thinking of changing this, as the mountain belongs to Flintshire as much as it belongs to Denbighshire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.128.164 (talk) 18:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I am very sure that, before the vale of Clwyd ever existed, the whole range was called 'Flintshire Range'and that goes back into the early 70's when I was in primary school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.34.88.155 (talk) 09:10, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Mountain name??
What is the real translation of Moel Famau?? As someone who knows Welsh geographical words i.e. place names but who does not speak the language...it seems to me to be a bit of strange one!

For instance, moel as far as I am aware means a bare hill, or a bald featureless area of high ground. Famau is a diminutive of mother(s), is that a plural or a singular. Amusingly an online translator came up with the name 'bald mothers' which I thought was a hoot.

Anyone care to give some sourced material from whence this mountain got its name? Or how best to translate it?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.72.159 (talk) 10:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I have added some details on the name, and will add some more references. The name should in fact be 'Moel Fama', as historical sources and the modern Welsh pronunciation make clear. As a result, I would suggest that the article name be changed, with 'Moel Famau' being redirected to this page. But I'll add standard references first. Troellwr (talk) 13:50, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I have added details on the names, with references. Troellwr (talk) 19:37, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * If it supposed to be Moel Fama - as supposed by the above assertion that "the modern Welsh pronunciation make clear". Then knowing something about how important it is for the Welsh to assert their national identity by having every road sign - where possible - written bilingually, then how do you explain this: Road sign for Moel "Famau" in Flintshire not "Fama".81.129.200.58 (talk) 19:11, 29 August 2014 (UTC)