Talk:Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur

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Name[edit]

Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur or just Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur? It was moved to the current title on Feb 10 by User:Kp2016rockin, and now User:JDDJS wants to move it back. User:Trailblazer101 also wanted it moved to Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur (TV series). As this is not uncontroversial, I've twice declined a speedy deletion of a redirect to allow a move. Please discuss to reach consensus. Fences&Windows 22:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. The official poster seemed to call it "Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur," as does the Twitter profile of one of the supervising directors, but... an article on the official blog calls it "Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur" as does Deadline, another Marvel article, as does Titmouse, and Flying Bark. So, I think the current name should stay. Also, we need some better sources for the page. Historyday01 (talk) 03:40, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 13 February 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. WP:SNOW closure. Moved to Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur (closed by non-admin page mover) Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur → Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur – It's considered standard policy to not include Marvel in the title for Marvel television series. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Agent Carter (TV series), Runaways (TV series) and Avengers Assemble (TV series) just to show a few examples. No reason as to why this should be considered any different. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 21:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I'd be fine with changing it to "Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur", at this point, as long as the first sentence says this instead:

Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, also known as Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, is an American animated television series based on the characters of the same name by Marvel Comics.

After all, Marvel calls it by "Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur" as does Collider, ComicBook, Gizmodo, CBR, The Verge, Los Angeles Magazine while Disney calls it "Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur" as does CBR, IGN, Newsweek, CNET, to name a few sources. I think "Moon Girl" may be another name, but it may just be a shorthand, and is not commonly used. So, in sum, yes, I support the move.--Historyday01 (talk) 13:39, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Considering the previous discussion this topic, a while back, @Fences&Windows, @User:Kp2016rockin, and @User:Trailblazer101, your thoughts on the proposal by JDDJS would definitely be helpful so we can reach a consensus. Historyday01 (talk) 00:40, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Move: Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur should be the title per WP:COMMONNAME and since this appears to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Turns out the "(TV series)" DAB was not needed from the start. The lede should start with "Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, or simply Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur," given it is officially used by Disney+ and on the main Marvel.com page, much like the other Marvel Television series as noted above, and is still being referred to as such based on this Deadline interview from two days ago, so it doesn't appear this is a Hit-Monkey situation where they dropped the "Marvel's" branding. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:03, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Move: Having watched the show, it's apparent that the Marvel logo is not necessarily part of the title, but just a branding thing. Voicebox64 (talk) 04:40, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support move. As with similar cases, "Marvel's" is not part of the common name. O.N.R. (talk) 05:24, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support move. Per above votes. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 11:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Move: Per above. (came back to Wiki just to comment this) kpgamingz (rant me) 13:39, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the nominator's rationale. ╠╣uw [talk] 15:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

List The Episodes By Production Order[edit]

Due to the fact that "Moon Girl's Day Off" aired out of order with "Goodnight, Moon Girl", to stick with continuity I think the episodes should be listed by production rather than broadcast. Given that Futurama is listed as this due to the same issue, I think production order should apply to this show as well. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 15:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can agree with that. That sounds like a good idea. Historyday01 (talk) 02:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Disney+ is listing the episodes by the more preferred production order, which means yeah, production order is more preferable than broadcast, Not immediately switching the order until a consensus is reached. This is all just my opinion by the way. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 20:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Right. I think they should definitely be listed by the preferred production order, especially since this isn't the only series Disney has done this type of stuff, with airing episodes in the wrong order. The same happened with Steven Universe too, as shown on List of Steven Universe episodes. Historyday01 (talk) 20:33, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Steven Universe does not do production order for its episode list, but rather chronological order like with the List of DuckTales (2017 TV series) episodes. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 15:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I see. In this case, I think we should do production order, as they were aired out of order. Historyday01 (talk) 16:05, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not clear on what constitutes "airing" order here, given that most viewers are going to see them in app order now that the entire season has been released. At least as of right now, on the Disney+ app the episode ordering is slightly different than the current article's order, with Goodnight, Moon Girl as episode 7 and Moon Girl's Day Off as episode 10. Fluffycritter (talk) 03:51, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: The order changed to the wrong broadcast order. Why?! BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 16:06, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I guess because they didn't want to "confuse" anyone? Historyday01 (talk) 18:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think someone did the request for Disney just so he could excuse that being in broadcast order is considered okay thinking there is no consensus going by production. I'm not sure how that request is implemented, but Disney might've listened to that user. This leads to unsuspecters preferring broadcast rather than production, but continuity-wise, it should by production order similar to Futurama to avoid continuity errors, but due to the lack of reliable sources at this time, currently its doubtful will ever list the episodes by production order. Will have to wait patiently for the sources to get that consensus needed. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 01:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: Episodes 7 and 10 are once again arranged in production order. 69.116.88.150 (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They don’t appear to be. If one episode has literal clips from the other episode wouldn’t that give away the fact that the second episode would come earlier in the production order? 67.85.13.55 (talk) 04:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
actually the listing of the production order now seems accurate but why not just list it in that order, especially since Disney plus has it in that same order, and if they ever actually put it out on dvd, it would clearly also be in the production order as otherwise the flow of episodes doesn’t make sense 67.85.13.55 (talk) 04:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Season 2 page erased[edit]

So... why exactly was the season 2 page erased? BestDaysofMusic (talk) 02:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BestDaysofMusic: As explained in @BaldiBasicsFan's reversion, such a content split ought to garner consensus at the talk page first, rather than bypassing the natural discussion process through an AfC. The AfC reviewer should have noted this was a content split that needed to be discussed first rather than accepting it. I will note that independent notability must be met by the WP:GNG should a split be agreed upon, though I would recommend working on getting the first season article done first and then moving to the second one to justify the existence of separate articles and thus a split. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the List of Gravity Falls episodes article, the seasons have their own articles, so it might make sense to create separate pages for the two separate seasons of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. However, as I and 101 stated, a consensus as such is required. It’s just two seasons and this isn’t like The Simpsons or Family Guy where those shows have multiple seasons. At best, the entire episode list can be separated into its own article, but per MOS:TVSPLIT, the series needs to reach between 50 and 60 episodes. Right now, there is no season 3 announced, and the current episode order is 40. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 04:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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