Talk:Murder of Tammy Alexander

"Venjiont"
Various sources state that Caledonia Jane Doe was wearing brown ripple-sole shoes, which a telephone caller who spoke with investigators claimed were popular in the "Venjiont" area in the 1970s. "Venjiont" is not an identifiable town, settlement, or geographical region. The actual word may have been "Vermont," misspelled due to optical character recognition (OCR) failure. It may also have been some other regional term recorded in phonetic spelling by investigators who were unfamiliar with the place named by the caller. fat man rolling (talk) 19:37, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Move back to Caledonia Jane Doe
The article title really ought to be Caledonia Jane Doe because of WP:COMMONNAME, where the individual has been known simply by that title for over 30 years. The recent title change seems to favor a bias towards recentism.--Prisencolin (talk) 00:48, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose. All other articles on identified subjects have since been retitled. Alexander herself was not notable - only the event that took place. -- Gourami Watcher  (?) 01:28, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 22 January 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus that this was a murder. Jenks24 (talk) 09:42, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Murder of Tammy Alexander → Disappearance of Tammy Alexander – I'm not too versed on the crime victim MOS but it seems like most of the article talks more about her dissappearance and efforts to find her rather than the actual murder, most details about which are currently unknown Prisencolin (talk) 22:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose: Disappearance of... titles are for people who have disappeared and their bodies were never found and their status as a victim of homicide is uncertain. Tammy's body *was* found and she *was* a victim of homicide. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 01:00, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose: Little is known about the circumstances of the victim's disappearance. The case began as a murder, as the body was found before Alexander's disappearance was even being investigated. Little is known about how she disappeared, only that she hitchhiked from Florida to New York and her disappearance was not taken seriously by investigators until 2014 because of her history of running away. More is known about her death and the investigation toward identifying her than the events prior to her murder.--Gourami Watcher Talk 03:52, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed, Strong Oppose. InsertCleverPhraseHere InsertTalkHere 09:20, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


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new image by Wikipedian
created the image File:Tammy Alexander POI final.jpg and added it to the article. On its Wikimedia Commons file description page it says only, "Composite of a person of interest in the Tammy Jo Alexander murder case, based on a previous FBI sketch." There is no explanation as to what other sources the image is a composite of, possibly complicating the copyright status of the resulting image if it literally contains other, copyrighted material. More salient however, is how Gourami Watcher's personal, interpretive composition is relevant to the article; using this file is essentially original research, effectively adding text to the article that says, "Here is what an unconnected, anonymous person thinks the person-of-interest looked like based on unknown constituent images." I removed the new image based on these concerns, but was reverted by Gourami Watcher 81 minutes later. —  fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  22:07, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Fair point. From what I gathered from the edit summary, it sounded as if it was removed based on the reasoning that it did not come from a professional or government source. As I am unsure of the copyright status of the images used to create this, I have removed it from the page and will follow up on a deletion request on the commons. Sorry for the misunderstanding.--Gourami Watcher Talk 00:26, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Speculation
The article contains significant forensic speculation about who "Caledonia Jane Doe" might have been (for instance, she was between the ages of 13 and 19)... which has all become moot now that she's finally been identified as Tammy Alexander. Should we remove the speculation? DS (talk) 21:35, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I have similar concerns. I have now read several articles about victims of homicide or suicide who are notable for being identified after great lengths of time. Even if the killing has not been solved, many elements of such articles seem overly devoted to the breaking news about the murder, description of clothing, etc., none of which matter much any more. I think the structure of these articles should be reconsidered. The lead could quickly discuss the death, efforts at ID, and final ID, but I think the articles should provide more of a standard bio, based on known information, and less focus on the medical examination or early speculation about cases. In more than one case, the victim left home because of a troubled life there, or was otherwise estranged from family - a circumstance that contributed to the delay in identification. In addition, the changing technologies and use of DNA available to police depts, as well as the rise in internet sites, both public and private, with access to large databases about missing and unidentified persons, together with contributions of amateur sleuths, has contributed to resolution of IDs in these cases.Parkwells (talk) 02:09, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Flinching
The artIcle states: "The wound to the head indicated she had apparently not turned or flinched, as is common when one is shot in the head. Instead, the entry wound suggested complete, if horrified, surprise." For one, this is lifted word for word from the source. I'm new, can someone summarize if this is considered plagiarism here or not?Secondly, does anyone have any insight into what this means? The source doesn't explain why they believe this information is true and I've never heard any speculation like this regarding a shot to the head before. I strongly doubt its accuracy. TheDoormouse (talk) 15:16, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree this should be toned down and made more neutral. If it was quoted verbatim and you want to keep it that way, it should be put in quotes and cited inline and in full to the source. I still think it's inappropriate, especially as the article should now be focused on her identification, rather than purple prose about the homicide.Parkwells (talk) 02:11, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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"Tammy Jo" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Tammy Jo and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 12 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 01:46, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

https://nyshistoricnewspapers.org/lccn/sn84031482/1980-01-19/ed-1/seq-12/ has a scan of the Palladium-Times article from 1980-Jan-19 that is currently a dead link. 2601:441:457F:80D5:784A:E59B:BAE7:8CF (talk) 21:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Her relatives didn't miss her for over 30 years!?
I am speechless. I cannot imagine such an incident. 2A0A:A541:8642:0:256D:9CEF:8C15:2F33 (talk) 01:01, 28 October 2023 (UTC)