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Requested move 12 July 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved to Mutasarrif per nom. I'm persuaded by the arguments that the previous spelling is an anachronism, i.e. application of Modern Turkish spelling to a concept that existed before Modern Turkish. English scholarly sources dominantly use the i-spelling. No such user (talk) 08:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Mutasarrıf → Mutasarrif – The present spelling is not the most common English spelling. Google Scholar results (English-only): (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Mutasarrif 1,010
 * Mutasarrıf 680, but many of these are actually Turkish language text
 * Mutasarif 67
 * Strong oppose it's a Turkish word, and misspelling it (and giving a misleading pronunciation) doesn't improve the reader experience one bit since the incorrect spelling redirects back to correct spelling anyway. There is no English word. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:10, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The word is Ottoman Turkish, and when mutasarrif was in use as an office, was not transcribed into the Latin alphabet using Modern Turkish spelling. The Modern Turkish spelling that you support was not used in any language until the Turkish spelling reform in 1928, after the office of mutasarrif was abolished. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  12:34, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The word was borrowed from Arabic into Ottoman Turkish. Arabic doesn't have the sound of Turkish <ı>. I think the article should be moved to Mutasarrif. phma (talk) 00:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Our WP:USEENGLISH titling policy doesn't require us to always use English, nor does it require us to always use something as spelled in the origin language. But it does say to use names as used in English language sources, as discussed in the nomination.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and per Buidhe and PierreAbbat. Outside modern Turkey, commonly spelt with an 'i'. I'm a big fan of keeping terms in the original language, but not in these circumstances, when it clearly isn't the original language. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Wikipedia typically doesn't use transliterations from pre-modern languages (think Chinese) unless they have become nativised.  There are certainly several exceptions in the case of Turkey, but I'm not sure they are warranted.  Also, I'm not convinced this term (with i) is actually English, but simply a case of typographical limitations that Wikipedia doesn't have (cf. Topkapı Palace, İzmir.)  —  AjaxSmack  20:19, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Distinction between mutasarrif and mutasarrifate (mutasarriflik)
Not enough care was given to the distinction between mutasarrif (the person in charge?) and mutasarrifate or mutasarriflik (the administrative unit). For the academic use of mutasarriflik see for instance here. Arminden (talk) 15:59, 11 February 2022 (UTC)