Talk:Muziris

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http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/03/23/stories/2004032303340500.htm

http://www.hindu.com/2007/04/01/stories/2007040106021000.htm

http://www.hindu.com/lf/2004/03/28/stories/2004032800050200.htm

http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/iron-man-s-country.html

http://nasrani.net/2007/04/08/news-analysis-on-follow-up-on-muziris-pattanam-excavations-iv-muziris-heritage-project/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4970452.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.202.250.83 (talk) 06:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Totally weak article, basically copypasted from Periplus_of_the_Erythraean_Sea, doesn't make any sense if you aren't already familiar with the subject —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heatsketch (talk • contribs) 01:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The statements
This statement, ;;Muziris, known as Vanchi to locals'' is not correct. I am not sure from where the BBC got this information. I am a local and so I am correcting the errors in their statements. Vanchi is the name of erstwhile Travancore state of South western India. Kochi (old name Cochin) was between Travancore, and Muziris. It is believed that because of a great flood in the fourteenth century, Muziris was destroyed and centre of commerce was moved to other areas Neduvelilmathew (talk) 18:33, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Merge
Muziris is also known as Pattanam. So it is suggested that this article may be deleted or be merged with the article Pattanam which contains more reliable sources.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 18:40, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Muziris in World Heritage List
Muziris deserves a place in the UNESCO World Heritage List. Many of the items in the list are much less old and hardly as unique as Muziris. The excavations have to gather momentum and unearth more to make it eligible at an early date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.82.133 (talk) 11:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Citations needed
I have added citation needed tags to a couple of blockquotes as it is not clear which translation they were taken from. References and footnotes also need separating. Can anyone please help? Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 12:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Please add
Another probable location is the inland port of Musiri located on the Kaveri River. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Konguboy (talk • contribs) 08:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Periyar
Why using Periyar River ("Big-river River"). Ever we use "Bahr-al Nile River"?

Rameez P. P. 11:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Proper District
Is Muziris in Thrissur District or Ernakulam District? There have been news report that some people have fabricated the evidence to show that Muziris is in Ernakulam District. Please rectify that.

124.124.211.93 (talk) 10:15, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Pattanam is located in Chittatukara panchayat, Vadakkekara revenue division, Paravur taluk, Ernakulam district, Kerala. Ref: Kerala Council for Historical Research (KCHR) reports. Pattanam is believed to be part of Muziris.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 11:47, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

The Muziris may be in Malabar or Tulu Nadu. Infact, it was probably Ponnani, Tirur, Calicut, Koyilandy (Quilandy) or Mangalore. It was the christian missionaries who created the false story of the St. Thomas apostle's travel to Kodungallor, Kerala, India in 52 CE. They tried to develop the false story of Muziris for spreading christianity in India. By creating this myth, they could argue that India was the craddle of Christianity in Asia and Christianity reached Kerala long before the arrival of Hinduism in the state. The muslims created the myth of the Cheraman Perumal's conversion to Islam; that too happenend in Kodungalloor. Infact the age of Cheraman Kings were 900-1200 CE. The prophet Muhammad's era was 570- 632 CE. Then how can Cheraman Perumal go to Muhammad PBUH?. Anyway, these myths tried to establish Kodungalloor as the cultural capital of Kerala. But if we look into the cultural activities and and folk arts of entire Kerala, we can see that the three cultural hot spots of Kerala are North Malabar, South Malabar and Central Travancore. Kodungalloor is not the part of any of these areas. Kodungalloor might not be the capital of Cheras. Instead, it would be Ponnani or Tirur. The historians have to rewrite the true history of Kerala and especially that of Chera Kingdom. The Kerala Cheras had nothing to do with the history of Tamilnadu, as the culture of Kerala and Tamilnadu are very different.Anoop.m (talk) 07:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Pliny the Elder's Natural History
The first English traslation of Pliny the Elder's Natural History by Philemon Holland (1601) is here. There is not a single mention of the term "Tamil" in it. Book 6, Chapter XX111 describes Muziris and says that the king that reigned there was named Celebothras.

Another English translation is here. Google books search reported: No results found in this book for "Tamil". Page 135 mentions Muziris and Celebothras.

Therefore, misinterpretation of "Pliny the Elder's Natural History" is added in this article. Jossyys (talk) 02:08, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Periplus of the Erythraean Sea
53.  ''Beyond Calliena there are other market-towns of this region; Semylla, Mandagora, Pala patma, Meligara, Byzantium, Togarum and Aurannohoas. Then there are the islands called Sesecrienae and that of the Aegidii, and that of the Caenitae, opposite the place called Chersonesus (and in these places there are pirates) and after this the White Island. Then come Naura and Tyndis, the first markets of Damirica [=Limyrike], and then Muziris and Nelcynda, which are now of leading importance.''

54. ''Tyndis is of the Kingdom of Cerobothra; it is a village in plain sight by the sea. Muziris, of the same Kingdom, abounds in ships sent there with cargoes from Arabia, and by the Greeks; it is located on a river, distant from Tyndis by river and sea five hundred stadia, and up the river from the shore twenty stadia. Nelcynda is distant from Muziris by river and sea about five hundred stadia, and is of another Kingdom, the Pandian. This place also is situated on a river, about one hundred and twenty stadia from the sea.''

The above paragraphs show that Muziris was in the Kingdom of Cerobothra.

Some more explanation is here. The word Kerala is first recorded as Keralaputra in a 3rd-century BCE rock inscription (Rock Edict 2) left by the Maurya emperor Ashoka (274–237 BCE). The Land of Keralaputra was one of the four independent kingdoms in southern India during Ashoka's time, the others being Chola, Pandya, and Satiyaputra. Scholars hold that Keralaputra is an alternate name of the Cheras, the first powerful dynasty based in Kerala. (Reliable references are there in the article Kerala).

Therefore, Muziris was in the Kingdom of Cerobothra / Keralaputra, that is Chera Kingdom. Jossyys (talk) 02:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Adding historical, native name
Musiri (Tamil, முசிறி) to the first line as it its original historical name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Konguboy (talk • contribs) 08:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)