Talk:My Life as Liz

Fake
This is not a reality show at all. The Twitter and Facebook accounts of the characters were made after/during the series. Coinsidance huh? It's not dramatized, since it needs to be reality-based to be dramatized. And it's not reality based. It's scripted and fake, like a lot of sources confirm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.209.199.204 (talk) 13:41, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

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Let me say this: THIS SHOW IS NOT A DRAMA/COMEDY/SCRIPTED SHOW. If you read any of the show's kids' Twitter pages, they answer this same question atleast twice per day. The scenes are REAL, with additions, such as voiceovers. If you've seen the episode where Lee stands on top of the car as a superhero, you know this was also added for dramatization. Also, the scene where Lee goes and beats up tiaras during prom season. Neither of those were her true decisions, they were added in. THIS IS A REALITY SHOW WITH DRAMATIZATIONS -- just like all reality shows. Now quit being kids, and stop the fighting. Just go to one of their Twitter pages or Liz Lee's Ustream, formspring, etc.

Epsiodes
Do they really need their own page at this point? There are only 6 episodes.Allwham (talk) 03:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC) boredduuummmmm

This article is asinine in describing this amalgamated / " heavy preproduction" shit as an actual reality show. 67.177.253.227 (talk) 22:43, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

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Confirmation that the show is a dramatized reality show. Please edit.
Please change the show's description from American reality television series to American dramatized reality television series. The LA monitor has a credible article in which MTV executives explain the show's questionable "reality": http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/14/entertainment/la-ca-monitor14-2010feb14 : "We didn't set out to confuse people," said Dave Sirulnick, MTV's executive vice president of multiplatform, news and documentaries. "We don't look at it as just a reality show -- that doesn't capture it. We weren't going to call it a sitcom, because it's not...Filming began in summer 2008 and continued throughout the 2008-09 academic year, Liz's senior year, during which time the shape of the show evolved from conventional reality to this blended form.

Said MTV's Marshall Eisen, an executive producer of the series, "The rule was, when Liz is around other people, we played that as straight as we could. When she's alone, that's when we were able to stylize things more."

Each episode, then, is an amalgam. "I couldn't tell you a percentage," Eisen said. "It probably varies from show to show." The show's vérité elements were helped by "extensive preproduction," Eisen noted. "We had a lot of cameras in a lot of these places." (emphasis added) I also propose that the show's synopsis reflect the quasi-reality nature of the show, or that a new section be added entirely. 141.161.127.75 (talk) 16:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I added this info with a cite-- i dare anyone to remove it! NapoleonicStudent (talk) 18:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Already done I untranscluded the template since this seems to have been done and the article is no longer semi-protected. Celestra (talk) 20:07, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know who edited my work on here but you are inhibiting free speech. I wrote this "More recent episodes have a very scripted feel to them. Rachel Book of Associated Content states: "The show more closely resembles The Office... a fake show about a group of people being recorded for a reality show. With several camera angles and cut scenes per shot, along with incredibly noticeable rehearsed lines and make up changes in the same shots - if you thought it was fake for a second, then you were right." " -AND- I added critical reception as OTHER shows have and that was taken down.Critical Reception -	The Only TV Column That Matters™ states: Liz & Co.’s brand of “individuality” is so hipster clichéd that the “conformists” seem absolutely justified in shunning them. Hell, I’d rather hang out with the Jersey Shore morons." They cite the "Ironic vintage" T-shirts as an example. According to a few rankled commenter's on the YouTube preview video below don't buy it, either. "The reason we're mad is not her, but MTV itself. They staged everything, going as far as screwing with our prom by turning of the music and lights in attemps to make us fight. She was at my school for a whole year, never met her, but I sure got those damn MTV cameras up in my face enough to be mad. She's probably a nice girl, but who knows what MTV made her do for the sake of 'reality' tv." Some one who actually goes to the school states:"Well i live there. It's Burleson Texas and it looks nothing like that. They pretty much made Burleson look like crap but its actually a huge town. Such a fake show they filmed at my school" These are from IMDB! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.95.46.53 (talk) 00:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no free speech on Wikipedia as the site is not a democracy. Like any website, it has set policy and guidelines that you're required to adhere to if you want to use and edit. Further, I gave you a very valid reason as to why your "work" was edited as seen here. You provide no reliable source for the content you added. That is per Wikipedia's policy of verifiability. Lastly, the article already states that the show is probably scripted and/or staged. We don't need 85 different people droning on about how it's fake. One reliably sourced blurb about it is plenty.  Pinkadelica ♣  01:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Look I know you probably think that this show is real and believe in all that MTV trash, but you NEED to add what the critics are saying. And Wikipedia IS a democracy, just a derivative of one. If it wasn't than we couldn't be able to post ourselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.95.46.53 (talk) 06:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? I need to add unsourced content about some crap show simply because you want to bitch about it because you don't like it? Nah, don't think that'll be happening anytime soon. Your edits violated policy. End of. If you want to complain further, take it to AN/I or someone who you think will actually give a hot damn. Not that it matters one iota but I'm a grown ass woman. I'm not trying to watch a show about some teeny bopper with teeny bopper problems, and I haven't watched MTV for more than 15 seconds since 1995. I get that you're attempting to be all hard and bad ass online and, I'd like be totally scared if like, you know, your attempts to attack and discredit me weren't like, so very lame. We're done here. You can go post yourself - whatever the hell that means.  Pinkadelica ♣  07:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

This reality show was based on the real life of Elizabeth "Liz" Lee.

Can we quit deleting, redoing, deleting, etc with the characters? "good vs. evil"? really? i think we atleast need sully, bryson, and taylor on the list. --Taylorstatickid (talk) 05:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Not sure of Jezebel is a good enough source to include under critical commentary but she does gather lots of other sources, including a (dead link in her article) the unimpressed reaction from burleson (which seems to be reprint from Star Telegram). Maybe if someone else wants to work them into the article... -- Horkana (talk) 22:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Opinions removed?
Can we get the opinions removed from this? I was trying to determine if the show was real or scripted. One section would say it was real, while another would speak of opinions as if they were deliberately scripted. For example, the section under Cori labels her as "not the prettiest" and "extremely stupid." These are undeniably opinions that shouldn't exist in the description of a character who was not deliberately designed to be portrayed that way. As an unscripted show, opinions about the characters are not necessarily portrayed by the producers - at least not to the extreme of "best" and "worst" - and should not be included in character descriptions in the article. Just my two cents. -- Charles Stover 00:18, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I treat the show as if it is scripted, as do the critics, I'm only surprised I wasn't able to find more reviews to make that clearer in the article. There are chunks of the cast/character descriptions that are a bit crufty so if you want to trim them go ahead, a lot of it just paraphrases the profiles from MTV so don't delete everything, just try to remove the fancruft that has accumulated. -- Horkana (talk) 16:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't know how I didn't notice it before but the article markup has been a total mess for ages, and I've done a little work to clean it up. Specifically nearly all the reference names were the same. I tracked down the errors to a user called User_talk:Gabi_Hernandez but the talk page suggests a history of disruptive edits (might still be good faith edits but they caused problems). So please do try to keep reference names short and to the point, a word or two, not a full sentence. -- Horkana (talk) 05:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Is it just me?
Is it just me or is this article written weird? It seems like it should be completely re-written.

Also, why is she referred to Elizabeth in this article numerous times and not simply Liz? Blsupr (talk) 21:47, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Go for it. From what I can tell the article was mostly "character" profiles and they were used to tell the story.
 * With season 2 starting I would be a good time to restructure the article more like other television articles and to give an overview of Season 1 and leave space for an overview of Season 2.
 * There is no biography web page for "Liz Lee", I think some editors got carried away with including her full name, but it should be as credited in the series. -- Horkana (talk) 18:16, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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