Talk:Mycobacterial cervical lymphadenitis

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Scrofula
Scrofula refers to inflammation of the neck lymph nodes due to mycobacterium infection. The mycobacterium may be typical M. tuberculosis or atypical mycobacterium species, NTM. Struma refers to goiter and is not related to scrofula. See Reidel's struma in EMedicine.com. A picture is shown of a woman with goiter, an enlarged thyroid gland, of unknown cause. It has nothing to do with scrofula. The picture of the child shows the classic appearance of scrofula. 68.67.207.24 04:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC) M. S. Rudman, MD

I agree completely that the woman pictured has a thyroid goiter, not scrofula, and the picture should be removed from this article. Tobrntob, MD


 * I've removed the pic of a goitre, it looked like one to me too.Merkinsmum 23:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion: "In adults it is caused by Mycobacterium tuberculosis and in children by nontuberculous mycobacteria." - According to the tuberculosis researchers at UCSD medical school Scrofula is caused by a nontuberculosis mycobacteria only. The one that is listed here for adults, "Mycobacterium tuberculosis" or M. tuberculosis, is a different thing.Kruglick (talk) 00:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Proof for wild statements
Yes, apparently the herbalist received a commendation from parliament (which the reference points to). But I'm suspicious that the 'cure' is a cure and not a bit of quackery, and the statement that it's a cure is not, itself, justified. That needs either rewording or justifying. --94.212.2.245 (talk) 10:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Therapy sect. edited: modern med. content tagged "citation needed", app. historical quotes re-paragraphed
This is a very troubling, problematic paragraph. The first half appears to be reliable statements relating to modern therapeutic approaches, but completely lacks citations to make the material verifiable. (The statements cannot in any sense be construed as common knowledge.) Tags indicating need for citations were therefore added.

The second half of the earlier-appearing paragraph seems—as discerned by distinct, non-consistent writing style—to have been taken, likely verbatim, from a site that is a proponent of 19th century eclectic medicine (quoting one of its historical proponents, Scudder, d. 1890s). This part of the content is therefore separated, and I will do text search to qualify it as non-plagiarized or plagiarized, soon. The phrase "Kings American Dispensatory 1898" was removed as a dangling bit of text unassignable in meaning, until some time can be spent in the citations. Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:05, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Plan to redact entirely plagiarized Therapy paragraph
The following Therapy paragraph:

"Traditional approaches to the disease from eclectic medicine, in use prior to the discovery of antibiotics, were varied, and none are in widespread modern medical use. Agrimony is also considered a very useful agent in skin eruptions and diseases of the blood, pimples, blotches, etc. A strong decoction of the root and leaves, sweetened with honey or sugar, has been taken successfully to cure scrofulous sores, being administered two or three times a day, in doses of a wineglassful, persistently for several months. The same decoction is also often employed in rural districts as an application to ulcers. Alnus (Tag Alder, Red Alder), is a much neglected, but very important, remedy in scrofulosis, especially in those cases marked by glandular enlargements and suppuration. Prof. Scudder speaks of it as one of the most valuable of our indigenous remedies, and points to its use in "superficial diseases of the skin and mucous membranes, taking the form of eczema or pustular eruption." Administered internally and applied locally in these conditions, we may expect from alnus the best of results. Impetigo, prurigo, herpes, and scorbutus, are diseases in which alnus will be of great utility."

…appears, based on plagiarism text-searching, to have been taken essentially verbatim from the two sources appearing in-line, in the paragraph's text. There was no close paraphrase, no substantial alteration of text, whatsoever, in either case of cribbing. I will pull the text and place it in Talk, as soon as I can take the time to create an explanation paragraph here. Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:34, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Plagiarized Therapy paragraph redacted
''The plagiarized paragraph has two sources. Both plagiarized portions were taken from websites that bear current copyright marks at the base of the source pages. (If the same material appears in off-copyrighted sources, these were not detected in my searching.) The conclusion that the two citations identified by plagiarism searching were indeed the source of the cribbed material is supported by the appearance of URLs within the Wikipedia article that correspond to the search-identified sources.

The first part of the paragraph appears without quotation marks, and was taken verbatim from the in-line citation that appears in the text, shown here with the Wikipedia paragraph and its implicated text in bold, followed by the corresponding source text in bold:''

Wikipedia:

"Agrimony is also considered a very useful agent in skin eruptions and diseases of the blood, pimples, blotches, etc. A strong decoction of the root and leaves, sweetened with honey or sugar, has been taken successfully to cure scrofulous sores, being administered two or three times a day, in doses of a wineglassful, persistently for several months. The same decoction is also often employed in rural districts as an application to ulcers."

Source (www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/a/agrim015.html):

'''Agrimony is also considered a very useful agent in skin eruptions and diseases of the blood, pimples, blotches, etc. A strong decoction of the root and leaves, sweetened with honey or sugar, has been taken successfully to cure scrofulous sores, being administered two or three times a day, in doses of a wineglassful, persistently for several months. The same decoction is also often employed in rural districts as an application to ulcers.'''

The second part of the paragraph also appears without quotation marks, and was also taken essentially verbatim from the in-line citation that appears in the text, shown here with the Wikipedia paragraph and its implicated text in bold, followed by the corresponding source text in bold:

Wikipedia:

"Alnus (Tag Alder, Red Alder), is a much neglected, but very important, remedy ________________ in scrofulosis, especially in those cases marked by glandular enlargements and suppuration. Prof. Scudder speaks of it as one of the most valuable of our indigenous remedies, and points to its use in "superficial diseases of the skin and mucous membranes, taking the form of eczema or pustular eruption." Administered internally and applied locally in these conditions, we may expect from alnus the best of results. Impetigo, prurigo, herpes, and scorbutus, are diseases in which alnus will be of great utility."

Source (www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/kings/alnus.html):

This ___________________________ much neglected, but very important, remedy is a valuable agent '''in scrofulous, especially in those cases marked by glandular enlargements and suppuration. Prof. Scudder speaks of it as one of the most valuable of our indigenous remedies, and points to its use in "superficial diseases of the skin and mucous membranes, taking the form of eczema or pustular eruption." Administered internally and applied locally in these conditions, we may expect from alnus the best of results. Impetigo, prurigo, herpes, and scorbutus, are diseases in which alnus will be of great utility.'''

Because these texts were lifted verbatim from these sources, without actual editing, paraphrasing, etc., and because they are dubious statements in a paragraph on actual therapies used to treat the disease in the modern era (no citations appear indicating current, as opposed to historical) medical interest, these two sections of paragraph are moved here, to Talk.

If editors wish to return the text in a more appropriate section, after good descriptive encyclopedia editing (use of quotation marks, of paraphrasing, etc.), the texts being here make this convenient. Leprof 7272 (talk) 04:29, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Prognosis
It seems appropriate to include prognosis with and without treatment. With treatment, the article states that the prognosis is for a successful recovery. Untreated, how likely / quickly can death follow? (This is somewhat personal -- an ancestor's death record identifies Scrofula as the primary cause of death for the individual.) GeeBee60 (talk) 00:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)