Talk:Naam Tamilar Katchi

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Lesenwriter (talk) 18:01, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Proscription as far-right party
The two sources, the articles by Newsclick and Scroll.in (https://www.newsclick.in/NTK-Brewing-Dangerous-Tamil-Nationalist-Chauvinism-Tamil-Nadu )(https://scroll.in/article/924890/in-tamil-nadu-an-ultra-nationalist-politician-who-often-invokes-adolf-hitler-is-gaining-support) are not only very biased against the party and the leader and therefore should not serve as sources with which to cite these claims, but they also have many factual innacuracies in them.

For example, Newsclick article states that "The NTK has been targeting Dravidian parties for allegedly ruining the state, but it confines itself to criticising only the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK), along with the Congress and the left parties. The NTK’s silence on the political decisions of the All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (AIADMK) and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and vice-versa raises suspicions over the intentions of the party." However, this is entirely untrue, Seeman regularly gives speeches condemning the BJP and AIADMK as well, however for some reason the article tries to make it seem like they are cozy with each other. Not only this but they article goes on to assert "In Tamil Nadu, the identity of Dravidians and Tamils are considered one and the same. The NTK has been pushing to create a divide in this identity since the formation of the party and wants to isolate other linguistic minorities known to belong to the Dravidian race." In this quote they are trying to say that for all Tamils, they see themselves as Dravidians, and that there is a "Dravidian race", and that the NTK is trying to cause upheaval in this status quo implied to be correct by the article. While the NTK is going against dravidianism in favor of Tamil nationalism, there is firstly no backing to the generalization that all tamils see themselves as Dravidians, and there is no such thing as a "Dravidian race".

The scroll.in article also has many factual falsehoods, for example the article claims "But the Naam Thamizhar Katchi is distinct in that it does not seem to challenge the caste system, even though Seeman frequently blames it for dividing Tamils." However this is completely untrue. The author of this article clearly has done barely any research into this aside from a youtube video. In the list showing the principles of the party, something they would have had to consult beforehand if they had wanted to make these claims, it says "Let's eliminate the dominance of caste and religion! Let's live in equality! Let's unite as Tamils ​​across caste and religion differences! Let's win the government for the Tamils!". They are saying that one of their core tenants is the elimination of caste and Religion. Seeman regularly gives speeches calling for the destruction of the caste system.

By paying attention to what Seeman says as his party principles and in his speeches it soon becomes obvious that he is not far-right. He is a tamil nationalist, he can be argued to be an ultranationalist, however, the claim that he is far right is completely untrue. For example, in the party principles page, he commonly uses Socialist and anti-religious rhetoric, for example "Let us make the existing system of co-operatives blossom through people's co-operation to lead to the path of Samadharma." "Let's destroy the Varunashirama Sanatana policy which justifies and organizes labor exploitation!" "Let's eliminate the dominance of caste and religion! Let's live in equality! Let's unite as Tamils ​​across caste and religion differences! Let's win the government for the Tamils!" "Let's prevent media cultural degradation through appropriate cultural revolution!" "Let's fight to decentralize power and wealth Let's build power and wealth like a pyramid!" "Let's prevent private profiteering! Let's eliminate the black money market!" "We will eliminate the difference between organized labor and non-organized labor and establish the right to life!".

One of the claims by the scroll.in article says that he invokes Hitler, and this is used to describe Seeman as a far-right in this article. It is true he invoked Hitler, however he later in that same video acknowledged his wrongdoings but came to say everybody has good qualities. While this isn't exactly a good thing to do in regards to people like Hitler, if you are going to use this one example of him talking about Hitler to say he is far-right, then you must also use the countless examples of him invoking Socialist figures such as Che Guevara, Bhagat Singh, Fidel Castro, calling them freedom fighters and liberators of their people, to say he is a far-left. It is also worth mentioning that in India the view of Hitler is less worse to countries in Europe as Hitler is not talked about as much and his genocides are not really mentioned, most Indians only know him as the man who started WW2 and helped Netaji, the holocaust is not really taught that much in the Indian education system, which would explain why Seeman invoked him.

The proscription of the NTK as being far right should be changed to, at worst, center-left, and at best, left-wing.

Sources for my claims (party policies and speeches by Seeman)

https://www.naamtamilar.org/policies/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCMOeMot45g&t=35s&ab_channel=%E0%AE%A8%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B4%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%9F%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%BF-NaamThamizharKatchi

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2NfOA6ssvko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If4ICPHk3qo&ab_channel=News7Tamil

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZvWqgOLkSRE

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bb50XYXfb1c Pavansur (talk) 12:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)